Maybe the V20 is a fast bike afterall

JoeV

Member
I'm new to the Cruzbike world. I got my first Cruzbike, a V20 two weeks ago today. I have many RWD recumbents, with my Bacchetta Carbon Aero being my favorite over the last year. With that bike I set so many personal bests, and achieved speeds I never thought possible. I used it to participate in the Cruzbike challenge last year, with a best average of 24.8 mph for the time trial course. Most of my life I've puttered along at 11-12 mph and was focused on touring. But since I stopped touring, I've tried to see how fast I could go, partly as a measure of how good a shape I could get myself into. So, while I love the CA and found it not only comfortable, but fast, the V20 has intrigued me. I had a shop build one up from a frame they had. I didn't go crazy on the components since I didn't know if I would like the bike. It has a combination of SRAM Force, Rival and TRP - partly dictated by the scarcity of components. We used what we could find. I transferred my nice Hed wheels from my CA.

Following the video tips for learning to ride, it took only a few 10 minute sessions in the driveway till I felt I could take it out onto the trail. I did a few 20-30 mile rides that felt progressively more relaxed, and were uneventful. Other than upper body soreness, things went well, and I focused on riding smoothly NOT going fast.

On my sixth ride, a 38 mile somewhat windy 38 miler, I decided to push it a bit as I was getting comfortable. Not all out, just enough to get my heartrate up. I averaged 19.3 mph, which is a good speed for me. But I was surprised to find out that Strava said, that out of my 17 "matched rides" , this was the fastest! Second fastest was a CA ride at 18.6.

OK, that was just a fluke. It was that I hadn't ridden that exact course on "good" days or something. So yesterday, I again set out to do a "take it easy" ride. I wanted my upper body to get really used to this thing before I pushed it. And I thought I did take it easy. I stopped a few times, took take off my sweatshirt, answer nature's call, have a banana etc. I stopped for a nice long chat with a trail acquaintance who just got a recumbent after learning about them from me, during which we were passed by three uprights in a little pace line. Around 8 miles from the car, I caught up with them. I was doing about 19-20. I hesitated passing them because I didn't want to be tempted to push it, but I had a bit of tailwind and they weren't going fast so I slowly caught them. As I went past, I announced "on your left" and said "hi!", "nice day!" etc. to each of them. None acknowledged me, other than to give what I perceived to be a disdainful look. OK, whatever. I picked it up a bit to pass them and put in a little distance. When I looked in my mirror I saw that the guy with no shirt (it is Florida, that's not so crazy) at the back of the line, had moved out and was accelerating to catch me. Had they been civil, I would have enjoyed the company. As it was, I felt compelled to try and prevent him from passing. It took a few miles, and I pushed it to 27 mph, but eventually he faded away. I was pretty pumped and kept up a brisk pace back to the car.

When checking Strava, I found that I had AGAIN set a PB for the matched rides, and taken a PB on a segment to boot! Yes it was a two mile stretch during which I was trying to drop my shirtless friend, but still, I have been on that segment 358 other times. I know I've sprinted it a bunch of those times, and still this was the fastest.

Frankly, I'm a bit shocked. I know the bike is supposed to be fast, but I'm just getting used to it. It's not at all dialed in, the seat is not comfortable and my upper body needs to improve. Furthermore, I'm not in as good a shape as I was at the peak of the Cruzbike challenge last year, and I weigh a bit more.

What's it going to be like when I really get the hang of it?
 

Sonnybea

Active Member
The V20 is an amazing bike this month is my 1 year anniversary with the V20. The only other bike I have ridden this year is the S40 and that is always on the levee
The group I ride with are all road bikes. They have accepted me and I have proven myself to be one of the stronger riders
So get ready for the ride of your life on the V20 its fantastic
I see you are in Florida l am in Ft. Lauderdale
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Pay them no mind. Some people are just naturally grumpy. Sounds like from the time they passed you and you caught up to them they had a few words between each other about recumbents. You can imagine what they said to each other ;)

Maybe you got the setup just right the first time, but looking forward to hearing what you do to the bike and how you are getting on with it.

Most of the cyclists I encounter are casual cyclists out for a ride, not a race. We wave at each other or say "hi" as I pass. Occasionally though I come across some serious cyclists. A few of them never wave, and I can recognize them pretty easily. I stopped waving to those guys if we are going opposite directions, but if we are going the same direction and I am catching up to them, I will give it a little extra so he is going to have to work to catch me. Like you, if I see him try to latch on I am going to push even more to try and put him in the red as much as possible before he catches me. I am sure that once the chase begins and they see me accelerating at a pretty equal pace to match theirs they always give up. I am in pretty good shape for my age, but they are just taking a beating aerodynamically and they know it. If I were on my DF bike I probably would too if someone on a recumbent did the same.

With that said, I bought the V20 to go fast. So everything I do on it or to it is to go faster and for a longer time, which it does beautifully. The bad thing is that for me to go faster it is going to require a faired recumbent.
 

paco1961

Zen MBB Master
Have had similar experiences. Most folks intrigued and welcoming . . . but there's always that few. When I finally got my V dialed in I was out for a ride with a small group of 5 or 6. We were on a relatively easy, flat ride that has 1 long hill (long for Louisville, anyway) of about 2.5 miles, average grade of about 6% at the 15 mile, turnaround mark. As we approached the hill, one of the stronger racers (you know the guy - always rides solo and never acknowledges anyone and legendarily proud of his own accomplishments) in the area caught us and started to go by. I though this might be a good chance to see what the V could do on a climb. So I slid out of the pace line and followed our passer by. I gave him enough room so I wasn't wheel sucking - really wanted to see what I could do. We hammered up the climb at a hard but steady pace. And about every 300 yards or so he would look back to see if I was still there. Yup . . . still here. The last half mile he really put the hammer down and he was flying up the hill . . . with me close behind. Got to the top and he slowed way down. We rode the next 2 or 3 miles together with him asking me about a thousand questions about the bike. Well, really he was doing all the talking. I was having a hard time breathing! But that climb ended up being 0.4 mph faster than my previous best. And since that is our regular Tuesday night fast group route, I usually climb it sitting on the back of a large group of pretty strong riders. Funny thing is, Mr never wave at anyone when on a ride . . . he always gives me a nod now when we pass on the road.
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Maybe he had the idea that most recumbent riders are out of shape old guys who can keep up with strong DF riders simply because of the improved aerodynamics, but after you keeping up with him even in a climb he realized that he was wrong. Nice to see you eek out an additional 0.4mph though.
With that said, can you imagine what he could do on a V20? Well, you already know it, but you know what I mean ;)
 

DocS

Guru
Have had similar experiences. Most folks intrigued and welcoming . . . but there's always that few. When I finally got my V dialed in I was out for a ride with a small group of 5 or 6. We were on a relatively easy, flat ride that has 1 long hill (long for Louisville, anyway) of about 2.5 miles, average grade of about 6% at the 15 mile, turnaround mark. As we approached the hill, one of the stronger racers (you know the guy - always rides solo and never acknowledges anyone and legendarily proud of his own accomplishments) in the area caught us and started to go by. I though this might be a good chance to see what the V could do on a climb. So I slid out of the pace line and followed our passer by. I gave him enough room so I wasn't wheel sucking - really wanted to see what I could do. We hammered up the climb at a hard but steady pace. And about every 300 yards or so he would look back to see if I was still there. Yup . . . still here. The last half mile he really put the hammer down and he was flying up the hill . . . with me close behind. Got to the top and he slowed way down. We rode the next 2 or 3 miles together with him asking me about a thousand questions about the bike. Well, really he was doing all the talking. I was having a hard time breathing! But that climb ended up being 0.4 mph faster than my previous best. And since that is our regular Tuesday night fast group route, I usually climb it sitting on the back of a large group of pretty strong riders. Funny thing is, Mr never wave at anyone when on a ride . . . he always gives me a nod now when we pass on the road.

I had the same experience last year...
I normally ride with a couple groups and they pretty much accept that I'll ride outside of the paceline. I figure, if I can't offer help by pulling, I shouldn't take advantage of others willing to pull, plus it makes me a stronger rider...
Wednesday evenings is the "big boy club". The faster riders come out. There is a racing team that everyone reveres who like to play with other riders... They'll be in the pack, then the leader signals and they drop everyone...
On one particular night, I was getting my bike ready. As I was waiting for the ride to start, the leader of that group said loud enough for me to hear, "oh, here's that old fat guy on his weird bike". As we took off, I stayed at the back of the paceline for about 5 minutes, then just took off, deciding I would just ride alone...
As I passed them, the leader signaled and the chase was on...
There were of them chasing, working as a team. They switched off pulling and finally caught me at the turn around point (20 miles). One of the three said that it was a great chase and it took all three to work together to catch me. I just nodded (trying to breathe without looking like I was about to die). After a short break and the others had come in, we were about to take off again, I heard the leader say, "there's no way he can do that on the way back. Let's get up the hill and drop him". I was riding toward the back of the pack again. the more I thought about his arrogance, the more pissed I got... I decided I wouldn't wait for them, I'd go now and took off. At the top of the hill, the same three guys broke from the pack and started chasing. Too late, I was already heading down the other side...
The chase ensued and they finally caught me at the parking lot.

The main guy just rode past, while the other two stopped to chat...

The same scenario happened a few more times, then the leader finally came up to me and said that he thought I had a power assist at first until the other riders told him it's just a bag I keep my wallet, keys etc. in...

It was a great challenge and I had a lot of fun showing what an old fat guy could do on a weird bike :)

Blessings,
DocS (AKA Rudy)
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Nice one Rudy! Maybe you got a convert or two to the 'bent community.

On my Sunday ride the path was quite busy as usual, but what made it even more so was 2 separate running events they had going on the same day. This seemed to make the bike riders a bit more agitated. I wasn't so worried about my speed for the day, I just needed at least 100km on the books. About 2km from my turnaround point I saw a trio of guys in a paceline heading back up the river, into a pretty heft wind. Finally, someone to chase after if they were going to do any considerable distance back up the river. So, I started calculating a plotting a distance back up the river that I wanted to catch them by. I was way too ambitious and way off my guestimation, but I finally caught up to them after we passed both running events. When I passed them, 1 of them peeled off and started chasing, but he was hidden behind my head so I couldn't see him in my mirror, but when I was about 50m in front of the group, he suddenly pulled into view about 20m behind me. I started pushing harder and he started falling further and further behind. He kept up the kick for a commendable time, but he was tossing his bike from side to side in what looked like a max effort. I didnt let him latch on and after about another 100m or so he just fell back. The head wind was just too much, and he had likely already burned all of his matches when I still had plenty in the tank from taking it easy.

A few more kilometers up the river I saw an elder Japanese man who had a flat and was in process of fixing it. He had a huge gash in his tire, and looked a bit dumbfounded because all he had was a spare tube and some small patches. I took the spare tube to a sign pulled it taught and rubbed it on the sharp edge until it cut through. I did it again and in a few moments I had a patch for his tire so he could get home. He stuck some glue on the tube and used it to patch the tire. During that repair job the 3 cyclists I passed earlier rode by and waved. I would have had 6 precut tire patches from old tubes, but I forgot them at home since I was in a rush to get the ride done before work at 4pm. Maybe next time I can find some fitter or fresher cyclists to chase down ;)
 

DocS

Guru
When I passed them, 1 of them peeled off and started chasing, but he was hidden behind my head so I couldn't see him in my mirror, but when I was about 50m in front of the group, he suddenly pulled into view about 20m behind me. I started pushing harder and he started falling further and further behind. He kept up the kick for a commendable time, but he was tossing his bike from side to side in what looked like a max effort. I didnt let him latch on and after about another 100m or so he just fell back. The head wind was just too much, and he had likely already burned all of his matches when I still had plenty in the tank from taking it easy.

I love when this happens!

Most of the folks I ride with know that I love being chased, especially when it's windy!
Sometimes I let people catch me. When, then they try to latch on my rear wheel, I take off :)

I like to ride with the group, but as mentioned previously, rarely ride in the pack. Part of this is due to hills...
I'm ok sticking with them going up, but hate hitting my brakes going down... I also use momentum from going down a hill to carry me up on rolling hills...

When we have new riders in our group, I'll take off as we approach a hill... The newer riders see this as a cue to chase me... The Veteran riders in the group know what's happening and laugh when they give chase, because once I crest the hill, I'm gone...

I have a bunch of fellows interested in Cruzbike. I'm supposed to meet a few this week with my S40, so they can try it out. It's easier to start on than the Vendetta (thought not as fast).

Blessings,
Rudy
 

cpml123

Zen MBB Master
I love when this happens!

Most of the folks I ride with know that I love being chased, especially when it's windy!
Sometimes I let people catch me. When, then they try to latch on my rear wheel, I take off :)

I like to ride with the group, but as mentioned previously, rarely ride in the pack. Part of this is due to hills...
I'm ok sticking with them going up, but hate hitting my brakes going down... I also use momentum from going down a hill to carry me up on rolling hills...

When we have new riders in our group, I'll take off as we approach a hill... The newer riders see this as a cue to chase me... The Veteran riders in the group know what's happening and laugh when they give chase, because once I crest the hill, I'm gone...

I have a bunch of fellows interested in Cruzbike. I'm supposed to meet a few this week with my S40, so they can try it out. It's easier to start on than the Vendetta (thought not as fast).

Blessings,
Rudy
@DocS How much speed difference do you find between the S40 and Vendetta? I have a S40 and find that I can pass my DF friends going downhills easily, but I don't climb well (my legs need more training. :) ). I sat in V20 once but found that I couldn't really see the road well, and that's too scary for me. Just wonder what the difference might be.

Michael
 

DocS

Guru
For me, about 3-4mph average difference...
I think the S40 is easier to ride for pleasure/conversational riding... In groups, I can offer some draft, but not on the Vendetta...

Blessings,
DocS
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
When they start trying to chase with the usual result being able to latch on and then taking a break at a higher speed, it must be pretty disheartening to get passed and then during the huge effort to not be able to close the gap. They are just burning a match in the middle of the ride for absolutely no reason. If I am not pressed for time I might slow down afterwards and have a chat with them a bit. It is just so hard to do that when I just want to ride. The V20 is dulling my social skills for sure haha.
 

paco1961

Zen MBB Master
For me the difference between similarly equipped S40 and V20 is about 2mph at cruising speed up to low 20s mph. The real speed advantage seems to be the 25-33 mph stints on flat roads where The gap between the two widens. W a 50-11 top gear combo I can cruise comfortably at 28 mph for 6 or 8 miles or so and keep myself at 85-90% effort. On the S, same power output would likely see me moving at closer to 24 I think I put out more power more consistently on the S but the better aero position of the V wins the day. I do believe that the S climbs slightly better and the more upright position makes it easier to see the road ahead. I never pace line on the V but will occasionally w the S but only in a small group of riders I know very well and who know me and my quirky bike very well too. It just freaks out many riders.

Had another one of those 30+mile rides tonight where the last 7 mile stretch had me pulling the whole stretch and watching 1 by 1, each rider, one at a time showing me the top of their helmet (the unmistakable sign of just barely hanging on), and gradually fading away until there were none left. Last 7 mile stretch ended up at 29.2mph. And that was after a first 8 mile solo into a head wind to catch the group. I was a little late getting to the start . . .
 
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