My first Recumbent, my first week...

agfrag

Member
Hello all. I am now the proud owner of a used Cruzebike Quest 559. I picked it up last Friday, and have been having a ball (and yes a little stress...) riding it every day since. So here is a short (lol) summary of my first week:

Day 1. Got it home, and took it to an extremely large parking lot at a local park, and practiced going forward... then figure 8's, then uphill, then downhill, then took it on a curvy hilly path for about a mile... and didn't hurt myself, the bike, or anyone else. Whew!
Day 2. Went to another local park with milder curves and hills, and managed to ride about 9 miles out and back. Had to stop 3 times due to not approaching hills very well. Noticing that the bike tends to dive right and left every so often, and wobble is a bit much, but I didn't fall!
Day 3. Same park, no more large dives, starting to go fast enough to actually lean nervously into the downhill curves, and only stopped once going uphill! Changed back tire that night to a 1.75 I had and it ...barely... fit. I also took the bottom seat pad apart and removed some strange stuff that a previous owner had put in there (paper towels?!) and washed the mesh covering and added a tiny bit of 1/2 inch foam underneath to take up the stretching that may have occurred. Looks almost like new now!
Day 4. Same park, getting speed up, leaning into curves more, but still braking into downhill corners for safety (I find the rear brake steadies me a bit better than both). Practicing single hand steering, still a little wobbly.
Day 5. Same place, starting to "spin" into the uphills, going faster in the curves (18-19mph-ish), and trying like heck not to wobble, but still wobbling a little bit. Average speed about 11mph. back home, went and bought a cruiser handlebar for $20, mounted it and also added clip pedals.
Day 6. Ditto place, starting to get some smooth lines, leaning in most if not all the curves, no more awkward hill climbs (spin spin!) and average speed 14 mph. No probs with the clips, but they're set way too much toward the toe (mountain biking style).
Day 7 Today! Same place, still a small bit of wobble, but using much less shoulder and arm effort, and realizing it will be a while before I'm hands free, but not worried. My body is just starting to treat this like a diamond bike. I mean, less thinking about falling and wobbling, and thinking more about picking a good line, managing the hills up and down, and in general enjoying the ride.

Tomorrow, I'll be riding a hillier park (the first one I tried) and we'll see how it goes.

Haven't had this much fun since my first ride on a bike! (pic taken prior to bar and clip change).

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billyk

Guru
Welcome. Check the Quest forum for ideas for mods. We're mostly a bunch of people who like to tinker with bikes ... and talk about it.

For learning to relax into it, try to gradually loosen your grip as much as possible. You'll find you can steer very naturally with your feet.

But for hill-climbing or accelerating, pull with your hands so your back is almost coming off the seat. That hands-pull-feet-push is where the real power comes from on these bikes, and why they're faster than other recumbents. The motion is something like a rowing machine, and involves the whole body.
 

benphyr

Guru-me-not
I'll add my welcome and Wow that's some speedy learning. Many are white-knuckled for a bit but your speeds and technique sounds like you are a natural.
 

paco1961

Zen MBB Master
Hello all. I am now the proud owner of a used Cruzebike Quest 559. I picked it up last Friday, and have been having a ball (and yes a little stress...) riding it every day since. So here is a short (lol) summary of my first week:

Day 1. Got it home, and took it to an extremely large parking lot at a local park, and practiced going forward... then figure 8's, then uphill, then downhill, then took it on a curvy hilly path for about a mile... and didn't hurt myself, the bike, or anyone else. Whew!
Day 2. Went to another local park with milder curves and hills, and managed to ride about 9 miles out and back. Had to stop 3 times due to not approaching hills very well. Noticing that the bike tends to dive right and left every so often, and wobble is a bit much, but I didn't fall!
Day 3. Same park, no more large dives, starting to go fast enough to actually lean nervously into the downhill curves, and only stopped once going uphill! Changed back tire that night to a 1.75 I had and it ...barely... fit. I also took the bottom seat pad apart and removed some strange stuff that a previous owner had put in there (paper towels?!) and washed the mesh covering and added a tiny bit of 1/2 inch foam underneath to take up the stretching that may have occurred. Looks almost like new now!
Day 4. Same park, getting speed up, leaning into curves more, but still braking into downhill corners for safety (I find the rear brake steadies me a bit better than both). Practicing single hand steering, still a little wobbly.
Day 5. Same place, starting to "spin" into the uphills, going faster in the curves (18-19mph-ish), and trying like heck not to wobble, but still wobbling a little bit. Average speed about 11mph. back home, went and bought a cruiser handlebar for $20, mounted it and also added clip pedals.
Day 6. Ditto place, starting to get some smooth lines, leaning in most if not all the curves, no more awkward hill climbs (spin spin!) and average speed 14 mph. No probs with the clips, but they're set way too much toward the toe (mountain biking style).
Day 7 Today! Same place, still a small bit of wobble, but using much less shoulder and arm effort, and realizing it will be a while before I'm hands free, but not worried. My body is just starting to treat this like a diamond bike. I mean, less thinking about falling and wobbling, and thinking more about picking a good line, managing the hills up and down, and in general enjoying the ride.

Tomorrow, I'll be riding a hillier park (the first one I tried) and we'll see how it goes.

Haven't had this much fun since my first ride on a bike! (pic taken prior to bar and clip change).

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Congrats on the bike and progress. Way faster than my learning curve on my S40- also my first recumbent. Just don’t skip the slow speed drills. Makes a huge difference to get really good and comfy at tight turns and figure 8s at 6mph. I started w my CB in March and still do the drills before or after a ride from time to time. Enjoy!
 

agfrag

Member
Thanks for the nice responses and constructive feedback. I'll be taking your advice very seriously paco1961, as yesterday's ride (Day 8!) was on a much hillier trail with many sharp twists and turns, and at one tight corner, going about 6 or 7mph, I came dangerously close to a wipe-out. I actually hurt my left foot jamming it to the ground to stop my tip over in time, and it scared me a bit. But I managed to complete the 9.87mi loop averaging 11.4 mph with a max speed (coasting) of 25.1mph, and that while certainly a white knuckle experience, at no time did I feel like I was going to lose it, it was very exhilarating!

And on the mod front billyk, I received a Ventisit pad yesterday, and will be trying that out today. And I removed the beachcruiser bar and put the original one back on, the beach cruiser bar was too wide and a bit unwieldy. I'll be trying the original bar in a more relaxed (downward pointing)position.

I think one of my next mods will be to replace that shifter. Man that thing (when I have it adjusted where my thumb can comfortably change the hub gears) takes up a lot of "knee space", causing the standard bar to have to be raised kinda high.
 

DavidJL

Well-Known Member
Though trigger shifters are easy to use, especially with sweaty hands, getting them to clear the knees is a real pain. The mustache bar that is standard on Q's is still the best style, with the hands at 45 degrees from horizontal. Riding hands free gives core muscles a good workout.
 

Rampa

Guru
If you are using SRAM trigger pods, I found a good method is to actually wrap your index finger around the small lever, and pull up. This lets you set the pods up much higher, as you can usually still do the big lever with your thumb.
 

billyk

Guru
And I removed the beachcruiser bar and put the original one back on, the beach cruiser bar was too wide and a bit unwieldy. I'll be trying the original bar in a more relaxed (downward pointing)position.

I replaced the stock bars that came with my Q45 (same knee-hitting problem) with FSA "Metropolis" bars that have more rise (knee clearance) and more sweep. That puts my hands about 3 inches more forward, giving me a more open elbow reach and stronger pull. A definite speed increase uphill. Getting that pull right really is the key to realizing the potential of these machines.
 

agfrag

Member
Well, I've been lucky enough to continue to ride daily. Today was 12th day, 12th ride.

Had a little setback in progress... had to "flintstone" across an intersection after a bad start (a little red in the face) and I also had to put my feet down at the top of a steep hill. It's funny how I can be merrily pedaling along, and all the sudden, zingo! A wobble or what have you.

But on the plus side, I compared today's time for the route I took against my diamond frame bike time, and I beat it by almost 5 minutes!

Also, I've abandoned my idea of replacing the stock hub shifter. I have a Deore left side thumb shifter, and the travel is too much to manage the SRAM thumb/clickbox travel. I measured the SRAM shifter at 12mm linear travel, and the Deore at 20mm. So I can only get two selections out of the hub drive if I install the Deore.

So, I'm pretty much back to stock except the Ventisit of course, boy is that worth every penny!
 
I replaced the stock bars that came with my Q45 (same knee-hitting problem) with FSA "Metropolis" bars that have more rise (knee clearance) and more sweep. That puts my hands about 3 inches more forward, giving me a more open elbow reach and stronger pull. A definite speed increase uphill. Getting that pull right really is the key to realizing the potential of these machines.

Yes, my knees hit the shifter also so my Q mostly sits and I ride my S30. I’ve moved the shifter all over and my knee still hits it. Thanks for the tip on the handlebar. I might give it a try.
 

castlerobber

Zen MBB Master
Also, I've abandoned my idea of replacing the stock hub shifter.
I never liked that single-hand shifter for the DualDrive, and hit my knee on it frequently. I found a set of SRAM trigger shifters specific to the DualDrive, which made it possible to hit both knees :rolleyes:, but I liked them much better. I then put a Bacchetta handlebar on, upside down, and cut about 1/2" (12 mm) off the ends. Much improved. Here's a picture from my modifications thread:
Quest 451 to 507

Though after seeing a current thread asking about riser heights, I discovered I had a fairly short riser (10"), and that there are longer ones (around 12.75" or 13"). If I had known there were two lengths, I might have replaced the riser instead of the handlebar.
 

bladderhead

Zen MBB Master
I have inverted Crononero on my Silvio and the bar-ends stick up. My hands are a bit high, like Chopper bars, but I still can use a lot of arm force.
 

agfrag

Member
Ride #13, and an unlucky one at that. Took a sharp corner too fast on grass, front tire slipped out to the right, and down I went. Funny how it's also the 13th of September... Hmm.
No harm done to the bike, mostly embarrassment and a scraped leg. It was at the corner of a busy intersection of course. Shook me up a bit though, and so I "throttled back" and took it easy the rest of the ride. I think I'll be a little more careful going forward!

Oh and I figured out a way to hang a small Camelbak off the back of the seat, I'll get some pics and put it up on another thread tomorrow.
 

Wes

New Member
Ride #13, and an unlucky one at that. Took a sharp corner too fast on grass, front tire slipped out to the right, and down I went. Funny how it's also the 13th of September... Hmm.
No harm done to the bike, mostly embarrassment and a scraped leg. It was at the corner of a busy intersection of course. Shook me up a bit though, and so I "throttled back" and took it easy the rest of the ride. I think I'll be a little more careful going forward!

Oh and I figured out a way to hang a small Camelbak off the back of the seat, I'll get some pics and put it up on another thread tomorrow.

I bought a Q45 last April. I'm having a great time riding this bike, but I did crash twice riding on the Alviso levee loop (9mi). Lots of loose dirt on the levees, I hit a patch of the loose dirt and the front wheel twisted rather suddenly and down I went. Handle bars banged up my thighs pretty good. I think the bike needs knobbier tires to get a better grip.
 

agfrag

Member
Ride #19 in a row today, and I have to comment that in Michigan, being able to ride 19 days in a row without a rain day is nothing short of miraculous, this isn't southern California!

But I did something really cool, as I had the fork off doing measurements for a new headset, I decided to move the seat from the 1st pair of the four mounting positions to the 2nd pair, which simultaneously tilted the seat a bit higher in the front, moved the seat forward, and created a more reclined back rest.

The effect was amazing. The ride was more stable (I thought it would be the opposite!) and more comfortable, and I didn't feel like I was sliding off the seat after a few miles. Really cool...
 

Rampa

Guru
Sounds like you are having a great time!

You will also not get "recumbum" as easily with the nose up a bit. Recumbum happens when you have a lot of weight on your bum (VS the seat back), and your tushy, pelvis actually, is at a somewhat oblique angle to the seat. So by nosing up the seat, you have greatly improved the tushy-seat interface to give better support! ;)

Conversely. If your boom were really extended and your cranks down low, then keeping the seat flat would be better.
 
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