Two Questions

david_kcmo

Active Member
First, what are the two holes in my frame at the very front of my bike?

Second, and I can't believe that I'm asking this one, but if I have to replace my chain, is it a "standard" chain size?
 

david_kcmo

Active Member
The smaller hole is for attaching accessories. They call it the "light mount tab." You may use one of these: https://cruzbike.com/collections/all-products/products/origin8-light-mount-stub
The larger hole reduces weight.

A 120 link chain fit perfectly on my new S40. If your bike came with longer length chain-stays, you may need to splice in some extra links.
Thank you for your answer. Is 120 standard? Also could you please explain what “longer length chain stays” means and why that would require extra lengths
 
My S40 came with 17.5 inch. Haven't ridden it yet.
My V20 came with 19 inch (from center of axel to center of bottom bracket) and I think it's perfect for me. For this bike, I needed four chains to make three, waxing them, and rotating them every 500 miles or so. The chainstay length is commonly chosen based on your X-Seam measurement. Many people prefer to have their feet lower than their hips. Aerodynamics are often improved with the feet at about hip height. Dive in for more here:
https://forum.cruzbike.com/search/3512000/?q=chainstay+length&o=date
More on fitting:
https://cruzbike.com/pages/bike-fit

As for the chain, I used this one that came with 120 links:
 
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velocio

Austrian roadside steckerlfisch (fish on a stick)
Thank you for your answer. Is 120 standard? Also could you please explain what “longer length chain stays” means and why that would require extra lengths
Hi David,

My apologies if I'm assuming less bicycle wrenching experience than you have under your belt, but a simple answer for a simple question and all that ...

The chain on your Cruzbike is a standard chain in that the length of each pair of links is the standard used on virtually all derailleur equipped bikes across the globe (and most bikes w/o a derailleur). There is no "standard length" for the total length of the chain. A new chain will typically come long enough for most upright road/MTB/gravel/cyclocrosss/hybrid bikes and will likely also be long enough for your Cruzbike. Typically a new chain is shortened by cutting out links to optimize it's fit on a particular bike with a particular drivetrain. Bikes with long chainstays, large chainrings or a large biggest cog on the cassette may come out of the box short by a few links and need to be lengthened by adding some extra links, but that's not very common. The width of the chain is basically determined by the # of cogs in your drivetrain. If you're running 10 speeds, buy a 10s chain. If running 11 speeds, but 11s chain. And so on ...

On your Cruzbike the "chainstay" is the structural member that runs from the hub axle area to the bottom bracket area. It's an "open secret" that's not mentioned on the Cruzbike retail website that there are 3 different lengths of chainstay available, which you can think of as small, medium and large. Actually, I tend to think of them as medium, large and jumbo, since even the smallest one available isn't all that small. The options appear to cover folks 6'4"+, but not folks 5'4".

Cheers,

-Jack
 

benphyr

Guru-me-not
If your current chain can shift into large chain ring to large sprocket gear (you wouldn’t normally use this gear but you don’t want to break the chain by shifting to that gear accidentally) then you can count the number of links and you will know definitely. Sometimes it is helpful to mark one of the links in some manner (marker, wax, spray paint) to be able to know when you have reached the last one. I have a quick link which is different from all the other links and I still miss it sometimes.
 

david_kcmo

Active Member
Hi David,

My apologies if I'm assuming less bicycle wrenching experience than you have under your belt, but a simple answer for a simple question and all that ...

The chain on your Cruzbike is a standard chain in that the length of each pair of links is the standard used on virtually all derailleur equipped bikes across the globe (and most bikes w/o a derailleur). There is no "standard length" for the total length of the chain. A new chain will typically come long enough for most upright road/MTB/gravel/cyclocrosss/hybrid bikes and will likely also be long enough for your Cruzbike. Typically a new chain is shortened by cutting out links to optimize it's fit on a particular bike with a particular drivetrain. Bikes with long chainstays, large chainrings or a large biggest cog on the cassette may come out of the box short by a few links and need to be lengthened by adding some extra links, but that's not very common. The width of the chain is basically determined by the # of cogs in your drivetrain. If you're running 10 speeds, buy a 10s chain. If running 11 speeds, but 11s chain. And so on ...

On your Cruzbike the "chainstay" is the structural member that runs from the hub axle area to the bottom bracket area. It's an "open secret" that's not mentioned on the Cruzbike retail website that there are 3 different lengths of chainstay available, which you can think of as small, medium and large. Actually, I tend to think of them as medium, large and jumbo, since even the smallest one available isn't all that small. The options appear to cover folks 6'4"+, but not folks 5'4".

Cheers,

-Jack
Thank you so much for the detailed response. I owe you one. I don’t know crap about bikes (although I’m learning) but if you ever get in criminal trouble in Kansas City please send me a note. I can help with that!
 

velocio

Austrian roadside steckerlfisch (fish on a stick)
Thank you so much for the detailed response. I owe you one. I don’t know crap about bikes (although I’m learning) but if you ever get in criminal trouble in Kansas City please send me a note. I can help with that!
Hey David,

By the grace of God, so far I've avoided criminal trouble in Kansas City. But 2020 is shaping up to be a pretty unusual and unpredictable year so I'll certainly keep your offer in mind.

-Jack
 

jphipps

Active Member
looks like you have triple chain rings, if is a ten speed (ten sprockets on cluster) use an 11 speed chain for much better performance and smooth shifting. You can purchase 120 link sram chain for $20 online, includes removable master link, and you will not have to deal with two master links and associated problems. Just changed my 11 speed chain (on ten speed system) for first time after 9 months, which is 50% better than using a ten speed chain, which I got 6 months of pedaling before stretch.

John
 

david_kcmo

Active Member
looks like you have triple chain rings, if is a ten speed (ten sprockets on cluster) use an 11 speed chain for much better performance and smooth shifting. You can purchase 120 link sram chain for $20 online, includes removable master link, and you will not have to deal with two master links and associated problems. Just changed my 11 speed chain (on ten speed system) for first time after 9 months, which is 50% better than using a ten speed chain, which I got 6 months of pedaling before stretch.

John
Thank you. I’m going to look tomorrow. I don’t know if it’s 10 speed or not!
 

benphyr

Guru-me-not
I’m not questioning your experience of longevity. However, there could be more variables than only the 10 vs. 11 speed chain affecting how long each chain lasted. (Months of riding with varying weather and road conditions, distances, cleaning, lubrication, etc.) But good to know that an 11 speed chain can be has been used without causing any issues.
 

david_kcmo

Active Member
First, thank you to everyone for your advice. Second, thank you for not making fun of me having a Dodge Caravan. To be clear, it's my father in laws - not mine! So, answer is to go through side door. As to how to hold it up I don't know. Background of photo is comprised of electronics that father in law is recycling.
 

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Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
I replaced the original 10s chain on my V20 with a 118L Dura Ace chain and added a Master link to it and it seemed to work okay. Now that I changed to an 11s I had to buy a new chain, but all they had was a 116. With the Masterlink it will give me 117 instead of the 119 links I had. I also went up from a 50 tooth big ring to a 53. Is this going to be okay or am I going to have to add a few more links?
 
I replaced the original 10s chain on my V20 with a 118L Dura Ace chain and added a Master link to it and it seemed to work okay. Now that I changed to an 11s I had to buy a new chain, but all they had was a 116. With the Masterlink it will give me 117 instead of the 119 links I had. I also went up from a 50 tooth big ring to a 53. Is this going to be okay or am I going to have to add a few more links?
I recommend getting extra chains and having one to get your extra links from. I have three chains that I rotate through. Waxing, of course.
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
I recommend getting extra chains and having one to get your extra links from. I have three chains that I rotate through. Waxing, of course.
I was trying to avoid buying another chain because I easily get about 20,000km out of one before it needs replacing, and I while I know that waxing is better in many ways than other options I don't have the space or want to buy all the extra stuff. I just spray on WD40 and wipe it off every 300-500km. Maybe down the road I will switch, but the wife already thinks I am a nut case and I'm not really wanting to tell her that she is going to have to get rid of something so I can put a crockpot and some chemicals in the tool shed.
 

velocio

Austrian roadside steckerlfisch (fish on a stick)
Hi Frito,

Your local bike shop can likely provide a small chunk of compatible chain, since most of the time a new chain gets cut down a bit before installation.

I'm experiencing the bicycle chain version of "shock and awe" that you "easily get about 20,000km out of one (chain) before it needs replacing", especially given the stated maintenance regimen of polishing the exterior of the chain every 300-500 km with a water dispersant product (the "WD" in WD-40) not formulated as a lubricant. Can you give more details about where you ride and your maintenance procedure? Do you use a chain wear measuring tool or a ruler to measure elongation of the chain? If so, what is the % wear or measured length increase after 20,000km? What brand of chain do you get this kind of life out of with such minimal care? I'm definitely switching brands!

BTW, no crockpot is required for waxing, though some folks find that convenient. I've been waxing chains for 25 years using just a small pot (maybe 700ml) purchased at a garage sale for a dollar or two.

Cheers,

-Jack
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Hi Frito,

Your local bike shop can likely provide a small chunk of compatible chain, since most of the time a new chain gets cut down a bit before installation.

I'm experiencing the bicycle chain version of "shock and awe" that you "easily get about 20,000km out of one (chain) before it needs replacing", especially given the stated maintenance regimen of polishing the exterior of the chain every 300-500 km with a water dispersant product (the "WD" in WD-40) not formulated as a lubricant. Can you give more details about where you ride and your maintenance procedure? Do you use a chain wear measuring tool or a ruler to measure elongation of the chain? If so, what is the % wear or measured length increase after 20,000km? What brand of chain do you get this kind of life out of with such minimal care? I'm definitely switching brands!

BTW, no crockpot is required for waxing, though some folks find that convenient. I've been waxing chains for 25 years using just a small pot (maybe 700ml) purchased at a garage sale for a dollar or two.

Cheers,

-Jack
Sure thing braddah. I am in Tokyo, and I ride that bike (now the V20 as well) along the Arakawa river for about 85-90% of my total mileage. Tokyo is humid in Summer, and it rains a lot from the beginning of June through the middle of July usually. However, I very rarely ride in the rain unless I get caught in it accidentally, and my bike is always stored inside. 1 thing to note is that the cycling path on Arakawa is alway super clean from (1) no cars, (2) a lot of grass on both sides of it instead of dust and dirt, (3) no one throws trash on it, it does rain often enough to wash a lot of the residual dust off. My thinking on using WD40 is that it is less viscous than grease, and of course it doesn't allow water to stick to the chain.

Now for maintenance...
When I first get the chain I wipe it with rags to remove as much of the grease as possible before placing it in a jar of what I believe is Japanese paint thinner. After that I size it, and then put on the bike. Put the chain in "Biggie Smalls" and cupping a towel around the bottom, with the red straw I spray the chain along the bottom being careful not to get WD40 on the wheels. Rotate the cranks backwards to bring up a new section of chain and repeat spraying it until all the links had some WD40 blasted inside the important parts. I then wrap the chain with the same towel and rotate the cranks backwards for about 30 seconds, soaking up some of the excess WD40. Then I will use another dry rag to do the same thing until there is a very light film of WD40 on the outside part of the chain, almost dry so dust can't stick to it as easily as in if it were more wet, and there is almost no marks on the towel.

At the end of each ride, I use a wet towel to clean the wheels before bringing my bike inside, but I will also use a towel to wrap around the chain and spin it backwards to remove some of the day's dust that collected on the outside of the chain. I'll keep re-using the towel if it isn't too dirty and because it still has a bit of WD40 leftover. If it doesn't then I will spray a little on the towel so it will leave another very light coat on the chain. When I see gunk accumulating on the inside between the links then I will go ahead and blast it again with the WD40. Depending on the conditions it ranges from about 300-500km.

I didn't measure my chain to know how much stretch I had, but I am using a Campagnolo Chorus chain on my road bike. When I changed it earlier in the year it was just starting to give me shifting problems so while at the bike shop buying PF30 cups I went ahead and swapped the chain at the same time.

That is good to hear about the small pot for waxing the chain. When I took my V20 to the shop to buy and install new wheels, the front assembly fell apart and it looked like I had a fight inside the dirty cranks bin by the time I got the front wheel back on. And not 1 MFer helped me. Gobs of people just walked by with surprised looks at the foreigner who was cussing at his bike laying on some cardboard boxes like a homeless person in the middle of Tokyo. So, I might wax for the V20 for that reason alone.
 
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