1st time Forum member - new S40 build - 1st time rider - terrified !!!!

Hipwr1

Member
Just finished my “build” of my S40 - using my high-end components off of a road bike that my neurosurgeon said I would never be able to ride again. Well, hopefully once I get over the intimidation and fear of riding this style of bike, I will be golden. I have to say I am having problems even coasting and Fred Flintstoning, but I will master this.
 

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Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Thats a really nice looking bike Hip. Love the colors. Don't have any fear though, it's just rewiring your brain to learn to keep balance on a reclined position instead of an upright position. I went from a TT bike to a V20 which is about as much of a 180 anyone can do and got it done. I Flintstoned down a very slight slope on it for days before I was able to get my feet up to the pedals and lean all the way back, and another 2 weeks before all the wobbles were gone while my brother got his feet up and pedaled on the the first day on an M5. Resist the urge to do the Death Grip, and just keep at it.
 

Greg S

Well-Known Member
Beautiful build! Love all the little details.

As to being terrified, there are lots of resources (videos, etc) for how to get started. The best piece of advice I can give is to find a big parking lot, ideally with a slight slope, and practice there. Take it slow and relax. Don’t try to pedal, just coast down the slope and walk back. Do that a few times to get the feel then try it while lifting your feet up to the pedals, still just coast. When you feel comfortable with that, do a little pedaling as you go. When I first got my S40 (I now have a V20c) I did EIGHT MILES riding around a parking lot. My next ride was 13 miles on quiet roads. My next one was 18 miles clipped in.

You’ll get there! The key IMHO is to relax. That death grip on the handlebars doesn’t help, relax and take it slow.
 

Ramnob42

Member
When you are ready to start using the peddles try starting in a gear lower than you normally would think you would need, it puts less torque on the steering.
 

Hipwr1

Member
When you are ready to start using the peddles try starting in a gear lower than you normally would think you would need, it puts less torque on the steering.
Thank you for that tidbit - that actually may help with some of the intimidation about pedaling
 

Hipwr1

Member
Beautiful build! Love all the little details.

As to being terrified, there are lots of resources (videos, etc) for how to get started. The best piece of advice I can give is to find a big parking lot, ideally with a slight slope, and practice there. Take it slow and relax. Don’t try to pedal, just coast down the slope and walk back. Do that a few times to get the feel then try it while lifting your feet up to the pedals, still just coast. When you feel comfortable with that, do a little pedaling as you go. When I first got my S40 (I now have a V20c) I did EIGHT MILES riding around a parking lot. My next ride was 13 miles on quiet roads. My next one was 18 miles clipped in.

You’ll get there! The key IMHO is to relax. That death grip on the handlebars doesn’t help, relax and take it slow.
Thank you
 

Hipwr1

Member
Beautiful build! Love all the little details.

As to being terrified, there are lots of resources (videos, etc) for how to get started. The best piece of advice I can give is to find a big parking lot, ideally with a slight slope, and practice there. Take it slow and relax. Don’t try to pedal, just coast down the slope and walk back. Do that a few times to get the feel then try it while lifting your feet up to the pedals, still just coast. When you feel comfortable with that, do a little pedaling as you go. When I first got my S40 (I now have a V20c) I did EIGHT MILES riding around a parking lot. My next ride was 13 miles on quiet roads. My next one was 18 miles clipped in.

You’ll get there! The key IMHO is to relax. That death grip on the handlebars doesn’t help, relax and take it slow.
Thanx
 
When starting/stopping, it helps to sit up, vertical. This gives you a similar balance to an ordinary upright. Start with one pedal at slightly before 12 o'clock, give it smooth, firm push with your dominant leg, then relax, sit back and raise the opposite leg. Flintstoning will not give you enough momentum to get a good start. Practice starting and stopping on a flat open area like an empty parking lot, as others have suggested. Just like a regular bike, once you get rolling, the balance is easy. Next, practice slow tight turns. Keep in mind that you need to let the bike tilt into the turn, just like an upright. If you lean with the bike, you will oversteer and lose balance. Think of letting the back of the seat slip from behind you as you turn. If you want to turn very tight and very slow, sit up vertical like starting/stopping. When you are comfortable on the flat, practice starting/stopping on slight inclines. Soon you'll find that you can make smooth, clean starts even uphill. Once I learned to let the bike "slip and tilt" under me in turns, it was as if I became one with the bike. Don't even consider clipping-in until you are completely comfortable. Personally, I recommend mountain bike pedals with pins. They provide excellent grip without being locked to the pedals. Soon you'll be having more fun than even.
 

Hipwr1

Member
When starting/stopping, it helps to sit up, vertical. This gives you a similar balance to an ordinary upright. Start with one pedal at slightly before 12 o'clock, give it smooth, firm push with your dominant leg, then relax, sit back and raise the opposite leg. Flintstoning will not give you enough momentum to get a good start. Practice starting and stopping on a flat open area like an empty parking lot, as others have suggested. Just like a regular bike, once you get rolling, the balance is easy. Next, practice slow tight turns. Keep in mind that you need to let the bike tilt into the turn, just like an upright. If you lean with the bike, you will oversteer and lose balance. Think of letting the back of the seat slip from behind you as you turn. If you want to turn very tight and very slow, sit up vertical like starting/stopping. When you are comfortable on the flat, practice starting/stopping on slight inclines. Soon you'll find that you can make smooth, clean starts even uphill. Once I learned to let the bike "slip and tilt" under me in turns, it was as if I became one with the bike. Don't even consider clipping-in until you are completely comfortable. Personally, I recommend mountain bike pedals with pins. They provide excellent grip without being locked to the pedals. Soon you'll be having more fun than even.
Thank you - very helpful advice
 
Flintstoning will not give you enough momentum to get a good start.
This is so, so true, and I'm reminded of it every time I'm stopped at an intersection and I fail at a correct start (like if my pedal is in the wrong position when the traffic light changes.) My reaction is to panic and start flintstoning, and that always takes longer than if I had just calmly moved my pedal into the correct position and given it a good push with my dominant leg.

That said, I've only had my S40 since June, and this isn't happening too much to me anymore.
 

Hipwr1

Member
Thank you for that valuable insight - haven’t gotten to that conundrum, yet but I am sure I will.
 

Robert Holler

Administrator
Staff member
The main thing IMHO is: try to not focus so much on thinking of the process of riding - just relax and gentle pressure forward on the bars and you will be surprised how quickly the learning will mesh in your head.

Before long you will be practicing some no-hands riding. Not a practical skill per-se but it can be done.
 

marschu

New Member
I don't know if this has already been mentioned:

My experience is --> Better to practice for a short time (<20 minutes) every day than once long ( >1h) on the weekend

Repeat the short units until it gets boring, then you are ready for more.
 

Greg S

Well-Known Member
I don't know if this has already been mentioned:

My experience is --> Better to practice for a short time (<20 minutes) every day than once long ( >1h) on the weekend

Repeat the short units until it gets boring, then you are ready for more.
Depending on how the OP gets on with learning to ride the S40 this could be excellent advice. The brain takes a while to process new stimuli and if you've only ever ridden a conventional bike there's a lot going on with switching to any recumbent and a Cruzbike in particular. Short sessions with some time in between to think about and internalize each session is definitely the way to go if you've never ridden a recumbent.

I mentioned previously that my first outing on the S40 was 8 hours in a high school parking lot which was true. What I neglected to say was at the time I'd ridden just under 3k miles on another recumbent (a Bacchetta) so was comfortable with the reclined position and the only learning I needed to do was S40 (MBB) specific.

As I've posted elsewhere, I'm relatively new to a V20c after several years without a recumbent. It's definitely been more of a learning experience and I've taken the advice given here when I started: a number of short sessions, one per day, with some "think time" to ponder what I did well, what I did poorly and what to work on next.

Hang in there and keep us apprised as to your progress!
 

Randyc3

Well-Known Member
Just finished my “build” of my S40 - using my high-end components off of a road bike that my neurosurgeon said I would never be able to ride again. Well, hopefully once I get over the intimidation and fear of riding this style of bike, I will be golden. I have to say I am having problems even coasting and Fred Flintstoning, but I will master this.
Beautiful build! My first was an S40. Relax a bit just like Robert and others have said. Abbreviated version. Upright bikes have 2 points of steering(handlebars right and left for turning.) An S40 has 4 points(handlebars-left & right,pedals-left & right pushing). All forces must balance for a straight path. Pedal gently (push gently) and be patient with yourself. Cruzbikes are sensitive, but you will get this. Keep practicing. Safe riding and you will be surprised how fast you can be once you understand the riding dynamics.
 
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Boreen bimbler

Well-Known Member
As I've been very busy on the house recently and only doing a bit of indoor riding I got on my S40 for the first time in about 2 months yesterday. I wondered if it might feel a bit strange but not at all. Once you've got it you've got it. And it's well worth the initial effort. Good luck.
PS. A mirror really helped me relax.
 

chicorider

Zen MBB Master
As I've been very busy on the house recently and only doing a bit of indoor riding I got on my S40 for the first time in about 2 months yesterday. I wondered if it might feel a bit strange but not at all. Once you've got it you've got it. And it's well worth the initial effort. Good luck.
PS. A mirror really helped me relax.
I'll second this. Early on with my V20, I was gripping and pulling so hard on the bars that I tore a tendon in my right arm. It took seven months to heal and I was afraid that I'd have to start the learning process all over. But I didn't. The brain wiring was still there and hooked up. During my downtime, I focused my thoughts on being relaxed on the bike (Robert Holler suggested gripping the bars as if they were ripe bananas). That made all the difference when I got rolling again.

And yes, a mirror definitely helps. A mirror plus Garmin Varia helps even more.

You got this.
 
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