300 miles with a V20c

LotsaCruzn

New Member
Hi folks,

I recently bought a V20c having never ridden a recumbent and wanted to share my experience.

First a bit of background for context on how I'm approaching the V20c. I'm 39M, 5'11", about 175 lb. I've ridden diamond frame bikes off and on since I was a kid, and in the last couple of years have been deliberate about riding for fitness. I've averaged about 2000 miles/yr on my Lynskey GR 300 gravel bike, which I primarily use with a road wheel set. I added clip on aero bars to help with wrist pain, and have enjoyed the speed boost. That said, the bike still hasn't been very comfortable either on the hoods aero bars (I have had a professional bike fit which helped some but did not eliminate the pain). I started looking into Tri bikes, thinking if I had something purpose built for a more efficient position, I could maybe hold that position for longer.

Enter Cruzbike. I started seeing bike ads on streaming services, and saw one for the V20c. This is the one time I can recall a targeted ad actually working on me. After a bit of research it was clear the bike would fit me, be fast, and (from all accounts) actually be comfortable. I was also drawn by the dynamic boom design. Having spent plenty of time maintaining the Lynskey, I was not excited about the super long chain featured on RWD recumbents.

I followed the instructional videos to learn to ride. For me, it was nearly like learning to ride a bike for the first time. Some skills are transferrable, but learning to deal with the dynamic boom was a brand new skill.

Before taking the bike on roads with any real traffic I needed a place to mount my headlight and bike radar (which has a flashing light). I designed a couple of 3d printed parts for that:
- https://www.printables.com/model/1312227-garmin-ut800-headlight-mount-for-cruz-v20c
- https://www.printables.com/model/1311142-garmin-varia-mount-for-cruz-v20c

The first hundred miles or so were quite taxing mentally. The brain has to figure out how to coordinate upper body inputs to keep the wheel going straight. At first, it felt much easier to pedal at lower cadence since that way the upper body inputs are more spaced out. If I had it to do over, I'd focus on becoming comfortable with a higher cadence. With the recumbent seating I found I could push harder than on a diamond frame bike, and I ended up with aching knees a few times - if I'd kept that up, there could have been knee problems. As I became more comfortable, I intentionally kept a higher cadence to prevent that.

Stopping, and especially starting, were tough initially. I found 3rd gear to be good for starting on a flat surface (chainring in smallest gear, cassette in 3rd from largest). Stopping has become a breeze - I can usually stand up while the bike is still rolling a bit, and stop it in time to sit on the back of the seat. That lets me sit upright at traffic lights (my bike computer mount would force me to hunch over otherwise). Definitely don't recommend trying until comfortable with normal stops!

Around the 200 mile mark the mental effort seemed to decrease quite a bit. I started going as fast or faster than on the Lynskey. It seemed like my legs needed time to adapt before I could put down the same power. By 300 miles I was feeling strong on the V20c.

To summarize, here are the main things I learned when transitioning to the V20c:
- Learning the dynamic boom takes time, but it pays off. I really love having my upper body involved when hammering it out
- It takes time to learn how to delivery power in the recumbent position. The speed will come but it will take time
- Cruzbike's claims about the bike being extremely comfortable are (for me) absolutely true. The only aches I have after riding the V20c are related to my exercise effort. I've hopped back on the Lynskey several times and am amazed at how much pain I was accepting.
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Glad you are here Lotsa. Myself and at least 1 other CBer have Ti bikes, mine it a Litespeed T1 that is lovely but just hangs on the wall now for the same reason, comfort. I've got a little over 30,000km on my V20, and I am 5'9.5" (178lbs) so with a bit of tweaking you should be able to get to about the same CdA on your V20C as me, hopefully even lower. I'll post a screen shot of recent rides over the past month as well as a pic of my V20 in the lower CdA setting of 2 basic setups, one for a higher FTP (cranks closer and a pad under my shoulders) and one for a lower CdA (no pad and cranks further) to give you an idea of the V20s potential. I use MyWindSock for CdA. My wheels are 60mm deep so a disc wheel on the back would make it even more aero.
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LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
Great report - You will keep increasing in ability and speed over the next 1000 miles - If you are speed junky like some of us, then you will start component adjustments to maximize your speed to power ratio.
 

LotsaCruzn

New Member
So... a couple weeks ago I was on for a PR, riding back and forth on a local trail. There was a particular right hand turn that I thought could be taken just a little faster. Well, I came in a bit too hot and the bike laid over and slid on the asphalt.

This should not have been a big deal. I was wearing a helmet. A bit of road rash might be expected, and funnily enough I was researching elbow protection before the ride, thinking that would be the most likely contact in a low side Cruz crash.

Well, what happened was my right foot came off the pedal, and as the bike slid, the handlebar caught my ankle. My foot ended up wrapped around the bar end. Imagine rolling your ankle outwards, but it just keeps rolling, pops off the lower leg, and ends up heel facing up. Both of the knobs on the sides of the ankle broke (aka bimalleolar fracture). Oh, and a little forearm road rash.

I took an ambulance to the ER and had surgery the next day. Screws and a plate. Probably 4 more weeks before I can walk, then it's all about PT and regaining range of motion and strength over 12-18 weeks. Hopefully sometime this year I can ride hard again, but we'll see. I just feel fortunate to be on the mend.

And most fortunate of all: the bike barely had a scratch!
 

Mascottrepair

New Member
Thanks for sharing your experience! Great insights on the learning curve and setup. Your 3D-printed mounts are super useful—thanks for linking those too! Sounds like you're really getting the hang of the V20c.
 

Bo6

Well-Known Member
So... a couple weeks ago I was on for a PR, riding back and forth on a local trail. There was a particular right hand turn that I thought could be taken just a little faster. Well, I came in a bit too hot and the bike laid over and slid on the asphalt.

This should not have been a big deal. I was wearing a helmet. A bit of road rash might be expected, and funnily enough I was researching elbow protection before the ride, thinking that would be the most likely contact in a low side Cruz crash.

Well, what happened was my right foot came off the pedal, and as the bike slid, the handlebar caught my ankle. My foot ended up wrapped around the bar end. Imagine rolling your ankle outwards, but it just keeps rolling, pops off the lower leg, and ends up heel facing up. Both of the knobs on the sides of the ankle broke (aka bimalleolar fracture). Oh, and a little forearm road rash.

I took an ambulance to the ER and had surgery the next day. Screws and a plate. Probably 4 more weeks before I can walk, then it's all about PT and regaining range of motion and strength over 12-18 weeks. Hopefully sometime this year I can ride hard again, but we'll see. I just feel fortunate to be on the mend.

And most fortunate of all: the bike barely had a scratch!
My sympathy and hope you heal quickly. I hit the ditch with my V20 and broke my left ankle and am on week 4 of cast with 3 to go until I get a walking boot.
 

LotsaCruzn

New Member
My sympathy and hope you heal quickly. I hit the ditch with my V20 and broke my left ankle and am on week 4 of cast with 3 to go until I get a walking boot.
Yikes, same to you!

If you don't mind sharing, once you've recovered enough, do you plan on continuing to ride?

Any potential riding is probably months away for me, and there's a mixture of excitement to continue my Cruz adventures but also worry about doing anything that could lead to another serious injury.
 

Bo6

Well-Known Member
Yikes, same to you!

If you don't mind sharing, once you've recovered enough, do you plan on continuing to ride?

Any potential riding is probably months away for me, and there's a mixture of excitement to continue my Cruz adventures but also worry about doing anything that could lead to another serious injury.
No problem sharing and I have lots of time to reply.

At 74 I am also trying to avoid any injury as my time available to recover is decreasing. Like you, I suspect. I have thought a lot about riding again and the implication for other accidents. I came to the conclusion that physical exercise including biking and Cross-country skiing are too much of the "good part" of my life to give up. I own a Q45 and a V20 and plan to continue riding though I will likely be ultra careful and may never get over the nervousness.

I have sort of been here before as in 2022 and hit a deer going downhill at 40 km/hr on my diamond frame bike. Ended up with 5 cracked ribs and a pneumothorax. The recovery from that took 5-6 weeks and made me a very cautious rider. The broken ankle will take must more rehab.

When the doctor lets me start Physio I plan to put the V20 on my trainer to help rehab the ankle and muscles. If I am lucky, I may get on the Q45 later in the fall, but my real goal is to get out for some low-level cross-country skiing in Late November. Currently doing some upper body and core exercises 3-4 times a week to try to keep some muscle tone. I do get out a bit with crutches though they take a lot of work to get anywhere, guess I will end up with a bit more upper body strength.

Sorry if this got a bit too long.
 
So... a couple weeks ago I was on for a PR, riding back and forth on a local trail. There was a particular right hand turn that I thought could be taken just a little faster. Well, I came in a bit too hot and the bike laid over and slid on the asphalt.

This should not have been a big deal. I was wearing a helmet. A bit of road rash might be expected, and funnily enough I was researching elbow protection before the ride, thinking that would be the most likely contact in a low side Cruz crash.

Well, what happened was my right foot came off the pedal, and as the bike slid, the handlebar caught my ankle. My foot ended up wrapped around the bar end. Imagine rolling your ankle outwards, but it just keeps rolling, pops off the lower leg, and ends up heel facing up. Both of the knobs on the sides of the ankle broke (aka bimalleolar fracture). Oh, and a little forearm road rash.

I took an ambulance to the ER and had surgery the next day. Screws and a plate. Probably 4 more weeks before I can walk, then it's all about PT and regaining range of motion and strength over 12-18 weeks. Hopefully sometime this year I can ride hard again, but we'll see. I just feel fortunate to be on the mend.

And most fortunate of all: the bike barely had a scratch!
I am sorry to hear about your injury. I had my last in 11/24 and it has been a game changer. The reason I now own a Q45. Take the time to mend. Make sure you have addressed all the possible injuries. Concussions are a frequent miss - so pay attention to that as well as the fact you fell on your side. I have footage from my accident. Best!
 
No problem sharing and I have lots of time to reply.

At 74 I am also trying to avoid any injury as my time available to recover is decreasing. Like you, I suspect. I have thought a lot about riding again and the implication for other accidents. I came to the conclusion that physical exercise including biking and Cross-country skiing are too much of the "good part" of my life to give up. I own a Q45 and a V20 and plan to continue riding though I will likely be ultra careful and may never get over the nervousness.

I have sort of been here before as in 2022 and hit a deer going downhill at 40 km/hr on my diamond frame bike. Ended up with 5 cracked ribs and a pneumothorax. The recovery from that took 5-6 weeks and made me a very cautious rider. The broken ankle will take must more rehab.

When the doctor lets me start Physio I plan to put the V20 on my trainer to help rehab the ankle and muscles. If I am lucky, I may get on the Q45 later in the fall, but my real goal is to get out for some low-level cross-country skiing in Late November. Currently doing some upper body and core exercises 3-4 times a week to try to keep some muscle tone. I do get out a bit with crutches though they take a lot of work to get anywhere, guess I will end up with a bit more upper body strength.

Sorry if this got a bit too long.
More power to you! I think it is inspiring that you are doing what you need to do. Our health care system does not recognize quite yet the value of movement as a human need. Keep moving- do the resistance training and keep it up!
 

jrs665

Member
Hi folks,

I recently bought a V20c having never ridden a recumbent and wanted to share my experience.

First a bit of background for context on how I'm approaching the V20c. I'm 39M, 5'11", about 175 lb. I've ridden diamond frame bikes off and on since I was a kid, and in the last couple of years have been deliberate about riding for fitness. I've averaged about 2000 miles/yr on my Lynskey GR 300 gravel bike, which I primarily use with a road wheel set. I added clip on aero bars to help with wrist pain, and have enjoyed the speed boost. That said, the bike still hasn't been very comfortable either on the hoods aero bars (I have had a professional bike fit which helped some but did not eliminate the pain). I started looking into Tri bikes, thinking if I had something purpose built for a more efficient position, I could maybe hold that position for longer.

Enter Cruzbike. I started seeing bike ads on streaming services, and saw one for the V20c. This is the one time I can recall a targeted ad actually working on me. After a bit of research it was clear the bike would fit me, be fast, and (from all accounts) actually be comfortable. I was also drawn by the dynamic boom design. Having spent plenty of time maintaining the Lynskey, I was not excited about the super long chain featured on RWD recumbents.

I followed the instructional videos to learn to ride. For me, it was nearly like learning to ride a bike for the first time. Some skills are transferrable, but learning to deal with the dynamic boom was a brand new skill.

Before taking the bike on roads with any real traffic I needed a place to mount my headlight and bike radar (which has a flashing light). I designed a couple of 3d printed parts for that:
- https://www.printables.com/model/1312227-garmin-ut800-headlight-mount-for-cruz-v20c
- https://www.printables.com/model/1311142-garmin-varia-mount-for-cruz-v20c

The first hundred miles or so were quite taxing mentally. The brain has to figure out how to coordinate upper body inputs to keep the wheel going straight. At first, it felt much easier to pedal at lower cadence since that way the upper body inputs are more spaced out. If I had it to do over, I'd focus on becoming comfortable with a higher cadence. With the recumbent seating I found I could push harder than on a diamond frame bike, and I ended up with aching knees a few times - if I'd kept that up, there could have been knee problems. As I became more comfortable, I intentionally kept a higher cadence to prevent that.

Stopping, and especially starting, were tough initially. I found 3rd gear to be good for starting on a flat surface (chainring in smallest gear, cassette in 3rd from largest). Stopping has become a breeze - I can usually stand up while the bike is still rolling a bit, and stop it in time to sit on the back of the seat. That lets me sit upright at traffic lights (my bike computer mount would force me to hunch over otherwise). Definitely don't recommend trying until comfortable with normal stops!

Around the 200 mile mark the mental effort seemed to decrease quite a bit. I started going as fast or faster than on the Lynskey. It seemed like my legs needed time to adapt before I could put down the same power. By 300 miles I was feeling strong on the V20c.

To summarize, here are the main things I learned when transitioning to the V20c:
- Learning the dynamic boom takes time, but it pays off. I really love having my upper body involved when hammering it out
- It takes time to learn how to delivery power in the recumbent position. The speed will come but it will take time
- Cruzbike's claims about the bike being extremely comfortable are (for me) absolutely true. The only aches I have after riding the V20c are related to my exercise effort. I've hopped back on the Lynskey several times and am amazed at how much pain I was accepting.
Recently got an S40. I am glad I did as a 1st cruzbike as a V20 would be even harder to learn on.

With regard to power on the V20, have an ICE VTX recumbent trike with a 25% seat angle and an ICE SPrint X Tour with a 36% seating angle. I find that I can put down much more more power on the VTX with it's lower seat angle. I believe this is because due to a low seat angle you can apply power as if on a legpress using your entire leg to push including your powerful hips, whereas with a higher seat angle the motion is rotary using only part of your leg..
 
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Hi folks,

I recently bought a V20c having never ridden a recumbent and wanted to share my experience.

First a bit of background for context on how I'm approaching the V20c. I'm 39M, 5'11", about 175 lb. I've ridden diamond frame bikes off and on since I was a kid, and in the last couple of years have been deliberate about riding for fitness. I've averaged about 2000 miles/yr on my Lynskey GR 300 gravel bike, which I primarily use with a road wheel set. I added clip on aero bars to help with wrist pain, and have enjoyed the speed boost. That said, the bike still hasn't been very comfortable either on the hoods aero bars (I have had a professional bike fit which helped some but did not eliminate the pain). I started looking into Tri bikes, thinking if I had something purpose built for a more efficient position, I could maybe hold that position for longer.

Enter Cruzbike. I started seeing bike ads on streaming services, and saw one for the V20c. This is the one time I can recall a targeted ad actually working on me. After a bit of research it was clear the bike would fit me, be fast, and (from all accounts) actually be comfortable. I was also drawn by the dynamic boom design. Having spent plenty of time maintaining the Lynskey, I was not excited about the super long chain featured on RWD recumbents.

I followed the instructional videos to learn to ride. For me, it was nearly like learning to ride a bike for the first time. Some skills are transferrable, but learning to deal with the dynamic boom was a brand new skill.

Before taking the bike on roads with any real traffic I needed a place to mount my headlight and bike radar (which has a flashing light). I designed a couple of 3d printed parts for that:
- https://www.printables.com/model/1312227-garmin-ut800-headlight-mount-for-cruz-v20c
- https://www.printables.com/model/1311142-garmin-varia-mount-for-cruz-v20c

The first hundred miles or so were quite taxing mentally. The brain has to figure out how to coordinate upper body inputs to keep the wheel going straight. At first, it felt much easier to pedal at lower cadence since that way the upper body inputs are more spaced out. If I had it to do over, I'd focus on becoming comfortable with a higher cadence. With the recumbent seating I found I could push harder than on a diamond frame bike, and I ended up with aching knees a few times - if I'd kept that up, there could have been knee problems. As I became more comfortable, I intentionally kept a higher cadence to prevent that.

Stopping, and especially starting, were tough initially. I found 3rd gear to be good for starting on a flat surface (chainring in smallest gear, cassette in 3rd from largest). Stopping has become a breeze - I can usually stand up while the bike is still rolling a bit, and stop it in time to sit on the back of the seat. That lets me sit upright at traffic lights (my bike computer mount would force me to hunch over otherwise). Definitely don't recommend trying until comfortable with normal stops!

Around the 200 mile mark the mental effort seemed to decrease quite a bit. I started going as fast or faster than on the Lynskey. It seemed like my legs needed time to adapt before I could put down the same power. By 300 miles I was feeling strong on the V20c.

To summarize, here are the main things I learned when transitioning to the V20c:
- Learning the dynamic boom takes time, but it pays off. I really love having my upper body involved when hammering it out
- It takes time to learn how to delivery power in the recumbent position. The speed will come but it will take time
- Cruzbike's claims about the bike being extremely comfortable are (for me) absolutely true. The only aches I have after riding the V20c are related to my exercise effort. I've hopped back on the Lynskey several times and am amazed at how much pain I was accepting.
Lots of great feedback. I am a newbie on the Q45.
 
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