Amputee Cruzbike Riders?

DocS

Guru
When I was learning to ride the Crubike, I stayed off my other bikes and trikes (as advised), so I didn't confuse my brain...
After about 400 miles, I did get back on my Bacchetta and nearly dropped it. It was soooo different to ride...
If I didn't ride the Bacchetta with a light touch, it got very squirly... I ended up selling it...

Blessings,
DocS (Rudy)
 

BikeGary

Well-Known Member
I still use the butt slide method with my Vendetta... I'm able to start with one foot clipped in and pedal with one leg on the S40...

My riding buddies kid me about the butt slide..

Blessings,
Rudy
I too look like a bobsledder at a stop light. I shift it into a mid high gear and stand up at the light. Then when it turns green, shove the bike forward, slide into position, put one foot on the pedal and shove. If I get it right I'm fine. On a hill not so much. I get one shot it before I have to try again. If there are any other cyclists behind me I warn them that my takeoff isn't going to be smooth and not to try and pass too close.

I really need to spend the time to learn to do a seated cold start. But most days I'd rather just ride and worry about looking like a bobsledder on another day.
 

bladderhead

Zen MBB Master
Motorbike kickstart used to get me. Wait at the lights with your foot on the upward-pointing pedal. Push on the pedal. Then you need momentum until you can get your other foot into position. I would push, and the front wheel would completely lose grip and spin freely. Bike did not move at all. Looked like a kickstart. No momentum for the other foot. Missed the gap in the traffic. Start again.

The way to avoid this is not to stop. When I first started commuting on the Silvio this was facilitated by having almost totally ineffective brakes.
 

BikeGary

Well-Known Member
Motorbike kickstart used to get me. Wait at the lights with your foot on the upward-pointing pedal. Push on the pedal. Then you need momentum until you can get your other foot into position. I would push, and the front wheel would completely lose grip and spin freely. Bike did not move at all. Looked like a kickstart. No momentum for the other foot. Missed the gap in the traffic. Start again.

The way to avoid this is not to stop. When I first started commuting on the Silvio this was facilitated by having almost totally ineffective brakes.

That's hilarious! The local nextdoor discussion is all about bicyclists not stopping at stop signs!.... And I too have rolled through at 2/3 mph for just the same reason. Another reason to go practice my dead stop starts while seated.
 

vmi1056

Active Member
That's hilarious! The local nextdoor discussion is all about bicyclists not stopping at stop signs!.... And I too have rolled through at 2/3 mph for just the same reason. Another reason to go practice my dead stop starts while seated.
Oh yes the ole Idaho Stop!
 

BikeGary

Well-Known Member
Oh yes the ole Idaho Stop!
It's now the Idaho, Oregon & Washington Stop!

https://bicycles.stackexchange.com/...p-sign-as-yield-laws-for-bicyclists-idaho-sto
"Currently the following states in the USA have stop as yield laws for bicycles: Idaho, Delaware, Colorado (opt in), Arkansas, Oregon, Washington.

The following states have legislation proposed in 2021: Virginia, New York, Colorado (making it statewide standard), California, Utah, Colorado(?)

The law sunsets in Delaware this year, but may be extended. Results there have been good."


Coming soon to a state near you, I hope.
 

3bs

whereabouts unknown
mostly at long stop intersections i use the throw the bike forward and flop on method. (its a Michigan thing) so you stand straddled of the bike. to get going you take a step or two and launch the bike, landing in the saddle and swing both legs under and forward (creating a little more momentum and pull leg up and catch the pedals and start pedaling. half the time i don't lock in on the first stroke, but now i am coasting about 6-8 mph, so maybe second stroke with the other leg and i am in business. i am sure it is both ugly and the source of many WTF's from cars nearby.
 

woodguy

Well-Known Member
@3bs - I use that start method regularly. Don’t think it looks ugly at all, and if someone else does, that’s their problem. @BikeGary - I never heard of this stop sign as yield law for bikes, but I like it. Wonder what it would take to bring to Wisconsin.
 

Kufman

Member
mostly at long stop intersections i use the throw the bike forward and flop on method. (its a Michigan thing) so you stand straddled of the bike. to get going you take a step or two and launch the bike, landing in the saddle and swing both legs under and forward (creating a little more momentum and pull leg up and catch the pedals and start pedaling. half the time i don't lock in on the first stroke, but now i am coasting about 6-8 mph, so maybe second stroke with the other leg and i am in business. i am sure it is both ugly and the source of many WTF's from cars nearby.

I do that all the time when I am riding the trails and I have to stop and cross a busy road on foot.
 

BikeGary

Well-Known Member
@3bs - I use that start method regularly. Don’t think it looks ugly at all, and if someone else does, that’s their problem. @BikeGary - I never heard of this stop sign as yield law for bikes, but I like it. Wonder what it would take to bring to Wisconsin.

A lot of political wrangling! Bicycle organizations have been working on this law for years and it seems like the log jam has broken, but there is a lot of resistance by drivers who are already mad at bicyclists for being on the road at all, not paying for licenses etc. But it never hurts to write/call/email your local state reps and tell them you would support them more if they proposed this change.
 

Tripleburner

New Member
Hello everyone, new to the forum and I was advised by Maria to throw this issue/question out to the members of the Cruzbike nation.

Just a little background, in 2016 I was struck by a distracted driver who failed to yield at a stop sign and as a result of the accident, had to have my left leg amputated below the knee, among other injuries I sustained. As my rehab progressed, my physical therapist recommended I try cycling as a great low impact workout and pointed me in the direction of recumbent trikes and bicycles, due to the limited bend I have at the knee on my prosthetic side. I started on recumbent trikes and have been on a two-wheel recumbent bike for a year now and loving every minute of my Schlitter Freestyle.

Going from being an active husband and dad to instantly not being able to perform the simplest of tasks on my own, was a huge adjustment for me both physically and mentally. Cycling has done so much for me emotionally and I have been totally bitten by the cycling bug and ride whenever I can. All that being said, I have had it in the back of my mind to try a Cruzbike and am drawn to the S40. There are a couple of gentlemen in my area that have Vendettas but the recline looks to be a bit aggressive for my taste.

Maybe it is all the “love” that Cruzbike owners seem to have for their rides, maybe it’s a challenge that I feel I need to tackle, as most things have been as I adapt to being an amputee. Whatever the case, my question to the Cruzbike nation is, are any of you out there amputees that ride Cruzbikes? And if so, what are the challenges you had learning to ride? Any one out there know any amputee Cruzbike riders that are not on the forum? Any issues you guys anticipate me having, not having a ton of “feeling” from one of my legs? For reference, I am able to put some power through my prosthetic side (not as much as my whole side) and I do currently ride with clipless pedals. I appreciate any insight you guys can provide. Thanks so much everyone!

Vaughn
Hi Vaughn,
Sorry about joining this conversation so late in the game, I’ve been away from the forum for a while.
Sounds like we live somewhat nearby ( I’m in Ponte Vedra near Solana and A1A) so if you ever have questions or would like to ride just let me know. I have a few spare parts and pedals and things that can be swapped/modified/butchered until we get each other set up for Cruzing more comfortably.
 

vmi1056

Active Member
Hi Vaughn,
Sorry about joining this conversation so late in the game, I’ve been away from the forum for a while.
Sounds like we live somewhat nearby ( I’m in Ponte Vedra near Solana and A1A) so if you ever have questions or would like to ride just let me know. I have a few spare parts and pedals and things that can be swapped/modified/butchered until we get each other set up for Cruzing more comfortably.
Hey there, I know that area well, my wife and I have a friend that lives in that area of PV. I live over in the Lake Asbury area of Green Cove Springs so we aren't far apart at all. Would love to hook up one of these days and get towed down the road by your Vendetta! Also I'm starting to realize tinkering on your Cruzbike comes with owning one, just adds to the fun!
 

vmi1056

Active Member
Hi everyone,

It’s been a couple of weeks and I hope everyone is doing well. I wanted to share my thoughts after my first couple hundred miles or so on my S40.

Learning Curve – This was the issue that kept me from trying a Cruzbike sooner. Other than the prosthetic issue, there were/are so many detractors that talk about this issue as you all know. Many I found had never even tried a Cruzbike and others, the bike just wasn’t for them. I found it different, but not difficult. I know what difficult looks like, this ain’t it. That being said, it did take some re-wiring on my brain to get use the upper and lower body working together. Once we got that figured out, then it was a matter of getting use to the handling capabilities and getting comfortable on the bike. After three days, I took it out on one of my local trails and did a 21-mile ride. The key for me is lots of practice and I ride as often as I can, even if I only have time for was just a quick spin around the neighborhood, the short trips are beneficial and the minutes and miles all count.

Comfort – I like that fact that the bottom bracket is lower than my Freestyle. This allows me to get my feet up and down to the ground quicker. I also like the fact that my legs don’t interfere with the handlebars while pedaling. With the J-Bars on the Freestyle, if my feet, particularly my prosthetic foot, did not hit the pedals just right when starting off, my legs would get caught in the bars. With my S40, my foot can land just about anywhere on the pedal and I am able to get a good pedal stroke to keep up momentum without hitting the handlebars. As far as the seat is concerned, I have broad shoulders and find the seat is not as wide as I would like. Thor seat has been ordered and is on the way and by on the way I mean I hope to see it sometime in 2021. It’s not uncomfortable, but could be better. I am coming from a Bacchetta B3 seat which is nice and wide across my back and supports my shoulders very well. As far the comfort of the ride, I can tell the bike is more ridged and has a slightly rougher ride but I believe the upgraded seat will help smooth some of that out and if it doesn’t, the ride isn’t terrible, just different.

Speed – I do not have a cycling coach or anything but have read and heard enough of them talk about speed being a red herring as it relates to using speed alone as a benchmark for how you are performing on any given ride and training to effort is more beneficial and will naturally result in an increase in speed. I tend to pay more attention to my heart rate zones, cadence, and my RPE. That being said, given those factors, I feel that I get more bang for my buck. Having ridden familiar routes, I have noticed my heart rate is higher on certain sections on the route then before, but it is translating into increased speed. It feels like the power that I am able to produce translates more directly to the wheel. I feel I can attack hills if I choose to and can shift into a higher gear, mid hill which is nice. I can only imagine how great it will be on the hills once I get my climbing technique down. Don’t get me wrong, I want to maximize my speed but also realize the S40 wasn’t designed to be an all-out speed machine and the versatility is what attracted me to the bike in the first place, I think it checks a lot of boxes.

Handling – This is the part that I think will take the longest to get used to. I am still working on my low-speed drills and find that sitting up in the seat definitely helps with handling at low speeds, turns, and on steeper hills. I still haven’t gotten to the point where things are instinctive but I’ll get there. I quickly discovered that the bike likes a nice smooth pedal stroke, whether that be at slow or faster speeds, nice and easy and the handling and the ability to hold a straight line is no problem.

I’m sure there is a lot more in store as I get more miles in and I’m having a lot of fun riding the bike and getting more use to it with every ride. All of you guys on the forum have been extremely helpful and it’s great to be part of this community. That’s all for now. Be safe out there everyone!
 

vmi1056

Active Member
Greetings,

It’s been a while; I hope this note finds everyone doing well. Been following a bunch of you guys on Strava and it motivates me to get out there and get a few K’s in, when work allows of course.

Since my last post, I have some good news/bad news to report. Good news, I couldn’t resist the allure of the V20 and found a deal on a frame set that I could not pass up. All the parts are just about in and I have my LBS here ready to go (they recently built two V20s for a couple of locals). Hopefully we will have everything in soon and will be up and rolling by July.

Bad news (not really, depends on how you look at it), I will be parting ways with my S40 (will hit the marketplace soon). Before I say anything else, I love riding the bike and enjoyed learning on the S40. However, the inability to recline the seat back has become an issue. For shorter rides, say 20 miles or less, or light mileage weeks, no problem, but when I would get over 30 plus miles or have a week where I was out multiple times, I was having wicked IT band pain. The recline may not have a thing to do with it but I adjusted just about everything I could, including my riding style a bit and nothing seemed to help. My body just seems to prefer a more reclined position. For the past month, I have been back on my Schlitter Freestyle, which is reclined in the 30-degree range (give or take) and zero pain after my rides. This is no indictment on the bike, just doesn’t seem to be the best fit for me (it’s not you S40, it’s me!).

I ordered a Thor seat, which arrived a couple of weeks ago, with the original intent to put it on my S40 but I am going to save it for my V20. From what I have seen and read, there will be some ability to increase the recline if the 20-degree is too much and I like having the ability to dial in the seat to find that sweet spot. Unfortunately, the only place to go for me on the S40 is up and then I run into the dreaded recumbutt, been there and done that too.

So, as with many things in life, one door closes and another one opens. I know the S40 will find a good home and make someone very happy (like it did for me) and I’m excited to give the V20 a try, hope it turns out to be a win-win all the way around.

Cheers!
 

paco1961

Zen MBB Master
One possible easy fix for I T band pain is pedal spindle extenders. I have long used 1.5cm extenders and they make all the difference in the world
 

vmi1056

Active Member
One possible easy fix for I T band pain is pedal spindle extenders. I have long used 1.5cm extenders and they make all the difference in the world
I used pedal extenders on my trikes and they worked like a champ. I run the same pedals on my Schlitter and no pain so I deduced it was the recline angle that was the issue. I could be wrong on that but I only get that pain after riding the S40. If it doesn’t sell, it won’t break my heart and I’ll experiment a little more with the pedals and cleat position.
 

benphyr

Guru-me-not
I used pedal extenders on my trikes and they worked like a champ. I run the same pedals on my Schlitter and no pain so I deduced it was the recline angle that was the issue. I could be wrong on that but I only get that pain after riding the S40. If it doesn’t sell, it won’t break my heart and I’ll experiment a little more with the pedals and cleat position.
Hmm, it is making me think. The moving of the MBB (Moving Bottom Bracket) may place the pedal location inboard slightly more for the same pedal/Q-factor compared with the Pinocchio recumbents (with a long stiff nose).
 

vmi1056

Active Member
Hmm, it is making me think. The moving of the MBB (Moving Bottom Bracket) may place the pedal location inboard slightly more for the same pedal/Q-factor compared with the Pinocchio recumbents (with a long stiff nose).
Excellent point sir, you have me thinking as well. The movement of the bottom bracket, even ever so slightly over longer rides could have the negative cumulative effect that's causing the pain. Longer pedal extenders maybe could help? Can't really take the movement out of the MBB.
 

chicorider

Zen MBB Master
I know everybody's physiology is different, but I have put a fair amount of miles on a V20, S30, and S40, and the V20 is consistently and noticeably the most comfortable of the three models for me. Yes, it can be a bit more demanding at times, but that improves with practice. I hope you have the same experience regarding comfort as I have had.
 
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