Boom creeping forward

Andrew 1973

Zen MBB Master
My Guess

I'm either thinking the wrench at the shop clearly had no clue what to do, or the outer boom was dropped, the edge was deformed and cutting it was a quicker solution than trying to fix it. At any rate, I would hope that this was pointed out to the buyer and that the shop tried to make good on their mistake.

I imagine that Vendetta frame components aren't a dime-a-dozen, and this would merit a replacement frame. It's no different than if a wrench accidentally cuts a fixed seat mast on a DF frame way too short, which I've seen happen.
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
yes - amazing but true

I am working with the original owner (John) who commissioned the "wretched wrench" shop to build his Vendetta. They did not own up to doing anything wrong, and he doubts if they will own up to it now and/or make it right. Of course, now I have the frame so it is hard for him to "show" it to them in person too! To his credit, John said he will make it right, but according to Cruzbike Tech Support, they do not have any V boom's to sell, only complete frames! A complete frame is a lot to swallow!

Robert (Rose City) - Do you have or know where a V boom can be found.

John T or Jim P: Anything? I know when Eric accidentally jammed his slider into his boom and could not extract, he was able to get a new front V set. Is there anyway another V front set can be made at some point for me?

Thanks everyone for the help.
 

Andrew 1973

Zen MBB Master
Hi, Larry.
It does sound


Hi, Larry.

It does sound doubtful that the shop will do anything to make it right, especially since the frame is in your hands now. I'm not saying the shop is unethical, but they could just as easily say that you cut the boom, or the prior owner did. Once the Vendetta left the shop, the deal was done...typically.

If it makes you feel any better, it's not unheard of for Vendettas to go under the knife, rather hacksaw or angle grinder. I remember seeing one of Maria Parker's RAAM Vendettas with the disc brake tabs cut off. My first thought was "why would you do that?!" but understanding that in a race, aerodynamics and weight take precedence over aesthetics.

With that said, you can take comfort in knowing that a little "customization" is good enough for a RAAM winner and if your efforts to extend the slot keeps the boom from slipping, no one will ever know but you. And when you're flying down the road, doesn't the bike disappear beneath you anyway? It is all about the ride, after all.

BUT...

If you can't get over the fact that someone butchered your beloved Vendetta, you could always wait to see if a boom becomes available. The Vendetta is built and sold as a frameset, as you know. It's akin to Specialized's concept of a "module" with bikes like the Shiv and Venge, if you ask me; the frame, fork, and cockpit are packaged as a unified component. However, Cruzbike's manufacturing is obviously on a much smaller scale and it would not make good business sense to keep spares lying about. I would imagine in case of a warranty-related issue, the entire frame would be replaced, but that's just my guess. Obviously, a mechanic's mistake would void a warranty sooner than it would render a replacement frameset. At that point, it is between the customer and the shop to seek a mutually-fair resolution.

Another option would be to have a custom boom fabricated. The cost would likely be tremendous, and you would have to give up your Vendetta for the duration of the fabrication process. Add to that that Mr. Tolhurst has engineered this component to work in a specific configuration with specific forces, it's not likely that you'd benefit from the cost of having a custom boom made for you.

I'm thinking you wouldn't want to go that route. Strike that from the record.

It's easy to say because it's not my bike, but as long as you get the boom slipping issue resolved, I would just ride and enjoy and know that this "mistake" is something that gives your Vendetta a little extra character. :) FWIW, plenty of us would love to have your Vendetta as it is.
 

trplay

Zen MBB Master
I don't get it

If the x seam is good why not make the slit a little longer then use two clamps and be done with it?
 

Andrew 1973

Zen MBB Master
He did lengthen the slot.

How would adding a second clamp help? Not being a smart ass, I'm curious.

Also, would it be acceptable to use carbon paste on the boom slider to improve friction between the two components?
 

trplay

Zen MBB Master
It gives more bite area on

It gives more bite area on the slider. Look at Catrikes. Their boom clamps (at least my old ones) are essentially two clamps welded together.
 

Jeremy S

Dude
Hey Larry, I have to agree

Hey Larry, I have to agree with Andrew. If lengthening the boom slot resolves the issue, and there are no gross esthetic issues resulting from what the bike shop did, I would forget about it and enjoy the bike.
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
For maximum clamping friction

For maximum clamping friction the two sliding surfaces should be dry oil free and lightly sanded and cleaned to remove any high spots and create many small ridges to bond the two surfaces together. This is normal procedure for a structural steel bolted friction joint.

The clamping Ubrako M6? set screw and Ubrako nuts should be lubricated with Moly grease to double the clamping load, and torqued to 12.6 N.M (9.3 Ft.lbs) which applies a 16.7 KN load(~ 1.6 Ton.f).

The clamp at the end of the yellow tube so the outer tube deforms easily and digs in very slightly to the inner tube, locally deforming it the the outer tube end.

Once you touch up the extended slot ONLY you (+ the forum) will know that your steerer? tube is shorter than normal!

I would tell to LBS that they made a bad mistake, and release his name and address for other Cruzbike owners do not use him, as he obviously has NO idea about recumbents.

SS
 

Lief

Guru Schmuru
I second SuperSlim's comments.

I second SuperSlim's comments.

(BTW - thanks to all RE: the conversation around lubricating bolts, Torque specs, and other awesome things to know about the close tolerances and engineering of clamps and tubes and sanding etc...I learned a TON from this lame LBShops' mistake)
 

Andrew 1973

Zen MBB Master
Trplay

Thanks for the information about the "double clamp". But wouldn't that only work if the clamps were both positioned over the slotted area of the external boom tube?
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
Big Mistake on my behalf as

Big Mistake on my behalf as the photo of the clamp LOOKS like the Al clamp IS the nut (as my Silvio V1.0), but not Silvio V1.5 onwards where the Unbrako set screw and long female nut (as used on the Carbon fibre suspension clamps, and rim brakes), to reduce the clamp weight and increase the clamping load have been used.

If this is the case then the torque needs to reduce to approx. 9 NM, OR use a longer bolt and a grade 10.9 steel hex nut to backup the Al thread if it strips.

SS
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
Big Mistake on my behalf as

Big Mistake on my behalf as the photo of the clamp LOOKS like the Al clamp IS the nut (as my Silvio V1.0), but not Silvio V1.5 onwards where the Unbrako set screw and long female nut (as used on the Carbon fibre suspension clamps, and rim brakes), to reduce the clamp weight and increase the clamping load have been used.

If this is the case then the torque needs to reduce to approx. 9 NM, OR use a longer bolt and a grade 10.9 steel hex nut to backup the Al thread if it strips.

SS
 

trplay

Zen MBB Master
"But wouldn't that only work


"But wouldn't that only work if the clamps were both positioned over the slotted area of the external boom tube?"

Yes that is correct. I was given another interesting tip from Catrike years ago when I was trying to lighten la tortue as much as possible by cutting my boom as short as possible. They suggested you should have a minimum of two inches past the slit. After this its just extra boom. I run my trikes and Mooses boom three inches past the slot and have never had an issue. No flex, no slip, but not much power either , so who knows :(
 
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