Building up S40

Neil M.

New Member
Hi,
Just got my S40 frameset delivered - so nice, so light compared to my Quest 3.0.
That said I still need to make it work, fortunately, I have a bike mechanic friend to help me. My friend seems to have a lot of Campy parts, but it seems that the Cruzbike is set up more for SRAM(?) - any suggestions about going "off the reservation"? - My goal is to get a decent bike without too much cash outlay - and so wondering how flexible I can be with getting parts on Craigslist or wherever. Also specifically are there any issues with using Calipers instead of disk brakes?
Multiple Chain Rings?
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
Hi,
Just got my S40 frameset delivered - so nice, so light compared to my Quest 3.0.
That said I still need to make it work, fortunately, I have a bike mechanic friend to help me. My friend seems to have a lot of Campy parts, but it seems that the Cruzbike is set up more for SRAM(?) - any suggestions about going "off the reservation"? - My goal is to get a decent bike without too much cash outlay - and so wondering how flexible I can be with getting parts on Craigslist or wherever. Also specifically are there any issues with using Calipers instead of disk brakes?
Multiple Chain Rings?
Congrats Neil. Now the fun begins!
I have really only used SRAM/Shimano parts and have found that many items are interchangeable.
Here is a link talks about it: https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/mixing-road-groupsets-what-works-together-and-what-doesnt-2/
and another one - some cool history too: https://www.merlincycles.com/blog/shimano-v-sram-v-campagnolo-fight/
Shimano is probably the most widely available and inexpensive if you want to build something nice and dependable. Many items for sale 2nd hand that are still quick good and usable. More readily available for replacement parts (and cheaper) if you find yourself needing to replace something quickly
.. but if you have a bunch on Campy stuff to use and it is almost "free", then use it might be the way to go to get yourself up and running quickly.
That's my 2 cents and it probably isn't even worth that. :)
Looking forward to seeing what you do.
 

Robert Holler

Administrator
Staff member
Calipers will not work as the reach is too far. Maybe some long reach calipers can work but I haven't seen ones that were successful or had braking performance with writing home about so disc is the way. You an do a double chainring. Triples won't work and IMHO are 1000% unnecessary in todays world of wide cassettes and make shifting life way better. I am now sold nearly 100% on the 1x setups for nearly all my personal bikes. Nearly 90% of bikes I see people use one ring and three or 4 cogs for 90% of their riding, so the idea of having 32 plus gears is a waste anymore. Less is more.

:)
 

paco1961

Zen MBB Master
I have run both discs and calipers on my S. For calipers long reach is the only option. But as Robert indicated, discs offer much better stopping power. Also, the front calipers hit me on the inside of my right knee. Enjoy the process.
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Good information so far in this thread. I will go over my experiences with my DF TT bike with Campy Chorus which I believe is either 2017 or 2018. First off, I like it. It does what it is supposed to do without much fuss. It's light, looks nice, and I haven't heard of any issues from others with it. The problems I have had with it are relatively minor. The return spring on the front caliper brake broke, and a replacement spring was so expensive that I just bought a used set of calipers for a fraction more than the spring. Lucky shopping, really. Make sure you check the compatibility with Campy though. Mine have an "A" stamped on each part, so it is an issue.
Now the bad. I do almost all of my own wrenching but when I am pressed for time or just can't be bothered with it, it is kind of a PITA to find a local shop to do it despite it being pretty simple. Supply is limited, but can be overcome without much delay assuming you order consumable parts online early and have them ready to go as soon as something breaks.
With Shimano, which is what my V20 has, parts are practically falling off the shelves with so much overstock, which means deals can be had year round. Throw in that almost every single mechanic does Shimano, so you should be in good shape if something happens and you need parts or a mechanic. I'm all for supporting the little guy but sometimes simplicity and convenience are just too great.
 
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Neil M.

New Member
Thanks everyone for the great information, will process (and get a translation from my friend where necessary). Will post back again when I have a ride.
 

Greg S

Well-Known Member
Neil,

Congratulations on your S40 and welcome! I'll offer a few thoughts that run counter to what's been suggested thus far, not because the suggestions are "wrong" but rather to give you ideas of things that work so you can decide whether or not they'll work for you.

I bought my S40 as a complete bike as set up by Cruzbike: 1x drivetrain, disc brakes, etc. I've since changed to 2x drivetrain and rim brakes.

Where I live (SW Wisconsin) it's relentlessly hilly and 7-10% climbs are the norm. I wanted more range at both ends of the gearing. I found I "spun out" too soon on descents and wanted easier gearing on the climbs. I went with an 11 speed Sram GX group with an 11x42 cassette and 50x34 compact crankset. I'm very happy with the setup and it shifts perfectly (this from someone who is rather obsessive about shift quality).

As mentioned, I also changed from disc to rim brakes. Although I'll fully agree that disc brakes provide more stopping power they also come with a weight penalty and I was looking to reduce the weight of the bike as much as possible given the terrain around here. As you no doubt know, rim brakes were the norm for bicycles for decades and work very well indeed. The topic of "rim vs disc" tends to be a fairly religious one in cycling so suffice to say that I'm happy with my choice and yes, I do have disc brakes on other bikes so I'm not "anti-disc" by any means. As others have mentioned, for the S40 you will need long reach brakes. I use the Tektro R559 set and am happy with them.

Finally, you mentioned your friend had a bunch of Campy parts and wondered whether those would work. They certainly will but you'll be more limited in cassette choices, road shifters will only work ergonomically with some handlebars, etc. The reason most people go with Shimano/Sram drivetrains is the availability of wider range cassettes and derailleurs that will handle them, more choice in shifters (road, mountain, click shift, grip shift, ...) but that doesn't mean they're the only thing that will "work".

Figuring out a combination that works for the style of riding you want to do, the terrain you ride on and will be comfortable ergonomically is a real challenge. I know that I came to recumbents from decades of riding on a DF and doing all of my own bike work and it was still a challenge. You'll find lots of helpful advice here and of course we all have our own opinions about what's "best". For the most part, this means advice you'll get will be from someone who has tried it and knows it works so you'll only have to decide if it works for you.

Good luck!
 

mpayne

Member
Neil,

Congratulations on your S40 and welcome! I'll offer a few thoughts that run counter to what's been suggested thus far, not because the suggestions are "wrong" but rather to give you ideas of things that work so you can decide whether or not they'll work for you.

I bought my S40 as a complete bike as set up by Cruzbike: 1x drivetrain, disc brakes, etc. I've since changed to 2x drivetrain and rim brakes.

Where I live (SW Wisconsin) it's relentlessly hilly and 7-10% climbs are the norm. I wanted more range at both ends of the gearing. I found I "spun out" too soon on descents and wanted easier gearing on the climbs. I went with an 11 speed Sram GX group with an 11x42 cassette and 50x34 compact crankset. I'm very happy with the setup and it shifts perfectly (this from someone who is rather obsessive about shift quality).

As mentioned, I also changed from disc to rim brakes. Although I'll fully agree that disc brakes provide more stopping power they also come with a weight penalty and I was looking to reduce the weight of the bike as much as possible given the terrain around here. As you no doubt know, rim brakes were the norm for bicycles for decades and work very well indeed. The topic of "rim vs disc" tends to be a fairly religious one in cycling so suffice to say that I'm happy with my choice and yes, I do have disc brakes on other bikes so I'm not "anti-disc" by any means. As others have mentioned, for the S40 you will need long reach brakes. I use the Tektro R559 set and am happy with them.

Finally, you mentioned your friend had a bunch of Campy parts and wondered whether those would work. They certainly will but you'll be more limited in cassette choices, road shifters will only work ergonomically with some handlebars, etc. The reason most people go with Shimano/Sram drivetrains is the availability of wider range cassettes and derailleurs that will handle them, more choice in shifters (road, mountain, click shift, grip shift, ...) but that doesn't mean they're the only thing that will "work".

Figuring out a combination that works for the style of riding you want to do, the terrain you ride on and will be comfortable ergonomically is a real challenge. I know that I came to recumbents from decades of riding on a DF and doing all of my own bike work and it was still a challenge. You'll find lots of helpful advice here and of course we all have our own opinions about what's "best". For the most part, this means advice you'll get will be from someone who has tried it and knows it works so you'll only have to decide if it works for you.

Good luck!
Greg, thanks for the great input. I’ve been looking at doing the same thing to my S40. All of my rides include long grades of 5-7%, and I’m finding that the stock 1x, 11-42 isn’t giving me low enough gears; I’m thinking I don’t need a 50-34 chainring combo, but maybe 48-32 (if that’s even possible). But wondering if you could post pics of the front derailleur post and the derailleur itself?
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
Greg, thanks for the great input. I’ve been looking at doing the same thing to my S40. All of my rides include long grades of 5-7%, and I’m finding that the stock 1x, 11-42 isn’t giving me low enough gears; I’m thinking I don’t need a 50-34 chainring combo, but maybe 48-32 (if that’s even possible). But wondering if you could post pics of the front derailleur post and the derailleur itself?
If you want a max range, then the ONLY way is to go, Shimano TRIPLE 53,39,24 crank!!!!!!
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
Triples! You can still buy those? Maybe Shimano send it's excess stock to South Australia?
I had no problems 3 years ago! And even now!!!!
https://www.ebay.com.au/c/1300668390 sent from Taiwan, the home of Bicycles!

The front shifter was a Shim Utegra SL ST6603 triple 10 speed, and a Utegra SL FD6603 derailleur!!!
The Rear shifter was a Shim Utegra SL ST6603 triple 10 speed, and a Shim 9 speed XT RD-M771-LC derailleur with a 2.3mm cable pull per shift, and a 10 speed rear cassette 11-34 XTR M980 !
 

Greg S

Well-Known Member
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Greg, thanks for the great input. I’ve been looking at doing the same thing to my S40. All of my rides include long grades of 5-7%, and I’m finding that the stock 1x, 11-42 isn’t giving me low enough gears; I’m thinking I don’t need a 50-34 chainring combo, but maybe 48-32 (if that’s even possible). But wondering if you could post pics of the front derailleur post and the derailleur itself?
Sure. Here are the requested pictures. Let me know if you need anything else.
 

dule0911

Active Member
@mpayne
There are 48-32 cranksets, even lower than that - 46-30 (supercompact) or a combination of those two - 48-31 (shimano grx). I got myselft a FSA 46-30 crankset for my 2020 S40 build (still not complete, but it should be in the near future). For the downhills I doubt I will need more (not after any records), and for the uphills I'm hoping that 30 front and 42 rear will be enough.

Currently on my Q45 I got the stock setup (38 front 42 rear) and sadly I destroyed my knees with it. It's not just the bikes fault, rather my stuborness for the long hills/steep gradients, but anyway it is what it is. Once I recover I will consider a 50 rear casette on the Q45 if I don't electrify it, I will keep it as a commuter bike.

Triple is sadly a bit outdated for road levers. I wanted hydraulic brakes and coudln't find a matching road shifter (3x and hydraulic and 11s compatible). I agree that 3x is the best for max range, if there was an option for my case I would have bought it (without using mtb shifters/adapters etc). I wanted hydraulic discs, hate the constant small adjustments on the mehanical ones (I'm heavy, so go through pads a bit faster then usual).
 

dule0911

Active Member
I have it bookmarked actually, but will see if it works with the stock S40 front derailleur mount and ultegra FD. If not, well, the extender will be ordered.
 
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