Cause for Concern

DavidCH

In thought; expanding the paradigm of traversity
Ok, so lately I have been pushing it with an app called wahoo fitness. Typically I have found a great way of getting the ticker working by riding with a cadence rate of 90 RPM and as I get warmed up the heart rate steps up quite nicely. I try to get the heart rate in the 150 to 160 bpm but on this day something else happened. When I am working out hard the heart rate doesn’t go up that fast but when idling after a sprint it seems to step up. Even in my case up to 216 bpm which is slightly worrying. At the time I felt hot but my heart didn’t feel as though it was going to jump out and run down the road. So not sure if it was the heart rate sensor or app. Does anyone have any weird readings or is it old age? I am 54 but very active.
(This reading was taken whilst riding on flat roads with little gradient)

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I'm going to guess that at 54 you're not going to be able to get your heart any where near 216. I've had trouble with power lines before causing wild readings. And poor connections with your skin can cause all kinds of wild readings. I've even heard that a loose jersey flapping against the sensor can cause extra beats.
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
Hi David,
I had something very similar happen to me this year. It was not quite the same but close: I am 56. What I was doing was regularly this summer was riding with an average HR of around 165 for 3,4 hours (weekly) when training for my Century attempt. Sometimes, not all the time, my heart would suddenly jump up to 220, 230, and even 240. It was usually after 2-3 hours of pretty heavy exercise though. During this time I also would push my HR up near 190 at least once a week for power intervals It never happened on workouts less than 90 minutes no matter hard hard I exerted myself. If I did not have the display on my Garmin I would not have even known it was beating that fast. At first I thought it was just an error with my HR monitor, but then I also saw it on fit-bit watch so to me that confirmed it. I would usually just keep doing what I was doing and eventually it would go back to a normal range. I don't think it ever lasted for more than 5 minutes at a time.
I went to at least different Cardiologists. I did an Echo stress test (could not reproduce it during the test), and finally worn a "holter" type monitor for about 2 weeks - ending when I road in the UMCA 100 mile National Championship race. This device caught it happening several times. I finally was referred to a specialist and he said that probably had 1 of 3 "things" happening, but he would have to evasive testing to really find out. (I'm sorry but I could not tell you what those "3" different things were, but they all seemed to be related to a sort of "short circuit" that my heart electrical signals would default to when I was tired or maybe even low of some chemical or nutrient.) He said that that testing would have about 1-2% chance of damaging my heart. Then based on what they found, then would probably want to do an ablation to the error prone area to make it stop doing what it was doing. That also carried another 1-2% chance of damaging my heart. The doctor said if he was me he would not do anything. He said that since my fitness level was so high (with a probable maximum heart rate of close to 200) that in his opinion my heart was healthy enough to beat at 240 and not have any problems. He said if I saw it near 300, then it might be a cause for alarm.
Anyway, I suspect you might have something similar, so I would go and ask for an echo stress test, and also one of those fancy monitors that you wear for a couple of weeks so you can catch it happening.

Also, here is another (rather frightening article) on something also similar:
http://velonews.competitor.com/cycling-extremes
My doctor assured me that I did not have this. I also have not be an ultra endurance rider my whole life that the people in the articles. I have only been doing it for one year, but it does make you think more about how hard to go and for how long.

Good luck, and I'll be interested in hearing what you find out.

Larry
 

Zzzorse

Zen MBB Master
Sometimes I have to use electrode gel to get a consistent reading,

http://amazon.com/gp/product/B0093J2GM4?&qid=1447977372&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3

Without it the error mode is a heart rate displayed in the 200s.

What Larry said is good advice. I also have atrial tachycardia on occasions and it's important to get a green light from your doc to continue with strenuous exercise if your heart is actually racing and it's not just a heart rate monitor error. It's why I want solid readings from my monitor -- to be sure of what's up.
 
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Zzzorse

Zen MBB Master
Same for me. I'm on a very little dose of a betablocker that limits my hearthrate.

I can take a low dose betablocker one hour in advance of exercise as needed. Haven't had an occurrence without it for quite some time though so haven't used it.
 

JOSEPHWEISSERT

Zen MBB Master
I'm your age, but don't have any issues. I just wanted to mention that my max HR has not decreased over many years. I remember reading somewhere that normally a person's max HR will decrease with age due to stiffness of the cardiac tissue. But researchers found that this is not true for athletes who regularly get their HR up there, as do competitive cyclists. Very good news for us. Just another example of exercise preventing the disease known as aging.

One other comment: plain old cheap sex lube in a big tube that will last forever works really well for a cheap electrode gel. You might get some strange looks at the local drug store if you buy the economy size personal lubricant. Just tell the girl at the counter that you wear spandex in public and shave your legs. Then ask her where the large condom catheters are located because you need to pee in public but don't want to be put on the sex offenders list with all the other weirdos. That will shut her up.
 

murmur

Member
I'm another one (mid-fifties) who's made several trips to the cardiologist about things I've seen on my HR recordings. Also got beta-blockers to reign things in, but the stuff I saw during rides (a sudden jump in HR between 155 and 175, followed sometime later by a jump in the opposite direction) never showed up on any of the EKGs or stress tests (where I hit 190 on the treadmill). I was told it's probably benign, and I'm not a lifelong endurance-fanatic at all so I doubt if it's due to any long-term cardiac stress. I wish I knew why it went away about 8 months after it showed up. Now I only see it rarely.

Dave
 
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super slim

Zen MBB Master
I had the same sudden high heart rate readings from 150 up to 234, with no change in cycling effort, went to the doctor, had a stress test on a running m/c, where they looked carefully at the 2nd and 3rd beat after the main one, and then found out via a DF rider (they do come in handy sometimes!!!!) that the Garmin edge 800 heart rate strap can be dicky, and replacing it with a Polar strap has fixed it !!!!!!

It worked for me!!!

If I had known about the bulk sex cream, it would have been fun asking for it!!!
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
thanks for the link to that scary lazy sloth inducing article larry. talk about put you off your cup of coco.

i could never imagine my heart rate getting above 170. and 172 is the most i have been able to get it up to going full gas for at least the last 5 years. like many i have had the occasional palpitation feeling of buterflies in my chest but this is extremely rare. cannot remember when i last felt it. one cup of tea a day and no other caffiene sources excepting an event.

one thing for sure i do not entirely trust a garmin HR monitor to make diagnosis and decisions for me.
other than to tell me i have a heart thereabouts of course :)

so how much exercise is too much???????????? where is the most beneficial stop point and does it vary individually.
how much does external stress play a part and how common is the malady of AF.

do i really want to know????

to be perfectly honest 10-14 hours per week 350klm plus per week is likely too much. like so many i totally undervalue the benefit of a good rest in my constant effort/ obsession to scratch the exercise itch and keep my 32 inch waist .

what is wrong with walking the dogs with the wife every other day instead........of being so selfish.

balance is the key. and prayer. just think i might go out and buy another dog leash :)
 

Eric Winn

Zen MBB Master
Seems like I recall Dan Fallon or maybe somebody else mention they found a stretch along their route with powerlines or something that induced spikes in some of their HR readings. I don't know if external interference is even feasible or if it was their HR actually spiking.
 
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