Cruzbike vs. Linear

Manalive

Member
Hi all,

This morning, Mum had a working (if rather old) mountain bike: this afternoon, I have a Cruzbike!

Last autumn, I got my first recumbent - a second-hand `Linear' long-wheelbase frameset, which I equipped with a range of good-quality components. It's fantastic fun, but I wanted something lower, shorter (more wieldy to park!) and more aerodynamic. The plan: get a Cruzbike kit, firstly adapt Mum's old mountain bike to `test out' FWD, then take the kit off that and fit it onto a custom-made semi-lowracer frame, with 20" front wheel and a 700c hardtail. The first adaptation was done in one day: the rest will have to wait and be a winter project! The Linear, for those who've not seen one, is a beautiful piece of cohesive design, clearly the result of someone starting with a blank sheet of paper and an open mind. My current Cruzbike conversion, although the kit is extremely well thought out and implemented, can't hope to compete in purity of design, so the next iteration will have a lot to live up to.

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Comments on adapting the bike: it's a low-end bike, so the wheel spacings are not ideal! The front was 91mm, the rear 126mm. That meant the original rear axle wouldn't fit on the front, so I used Cruzbike's shiny new axle on the front with the original back wheel and some extra spacers, while the original front wheel went at the back on the original back axle with Cruzbike's shiny new spacers! I'd not dismantled a `cheap' bike before, so I was in for a slight surprise as to how some of it was built, and the corners cut in design... The front derailleur was bottom-pull, so I just abandoned it. It's only a `test mule', and if I want to change the front cog, I can stop and do it by hand! Being quill-stem, I needed an adaptor, and was amazed how easy it was to get such a peculiar part in the local bike shops - although the `cap' of the adaptor was too wide, and needed filing down to fit inside Cruzbike's steerer tube extension. The Cruzbike dropouts don't sit very well against the non-suspension fork, but it seems secure enough. The supplied Jubilee clips, besides being the weaker (albeit lighter) type with holes rather than pressings, were enormous for a steel-framed bike: I used the dropout clips on the saddle, and some smaller clips still on the dropouts.

Comparisons: the two bikes are about as far apart in design and specification as is possible for two recumbent bicycles! To my surprise, the Cruzbike seat is only an inch or two higher than the Linear's. The Linear felt very stable at speed from the word go, but low-speed manoeuvring took serious practice: the Cruzbike was doing figure-of-eight turns tighter than an upright bike within two minutes, but the pedal-steering interaction made it feel less secure at speed, especially at first. The Linear, with its lightly loaded front wheel, is uneasy on anything other than tarmac and flatly undriveable on gravel, whereas the Cruzbike took gravel better than my uprights (although the Cruzbike's tyres have slightly chunky tread). The Linear is lighter, and has higher-quality components, but even so, I could feel the aerodynamic advantage on the Cruzbike! The Linear is designed to fold up in various places so it can fit in a car boot: this is fairly successful, but makes it chronically creaky, whereas the Cruzbike has an extremely reassuring rigidity. I've found the Linear great at hills, and I think that at the moment, the Cruzbike is trailing there largely because of its weight, low-end components and my lack of practice. Most surprising was the return to the Linear after a while on the Cruzbike: it just didn't feel recumbent any more! It was like cycling standing up... In conclusion, this feels like it has bucketloads of potential.

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God bless,

Alex
 

defjack

Zen MBB Master
Intresting report. The front derailler cable is a long one so I cable tie it to the front fork. Dont ask how I know. Jack
 

buyagain

Well-Known Member
defjack wrote: Dont ask how I know. Jack
Go ahead, Jack, Tell us what happened.
Can't wait to see what your next move is, Manalive.
You've obviously been at this longer than I.
Biking that is.
 

Mark B

Zen MBB Master
+1 on zip tieing the derailleur cable to the fork leg.

I think you will discover in short order the Cruzbike eats the Linear's lunch in all regards. I know, it goes against your better judgement that this kit thingy on a cheap bike can outperform a factory built bike. It's a tough thing to accept, but you'll see. I suspect you're already seeing it, judging by your report. Once you get things dialed in, I'd be willing to bet your conversion will easily outclimb your Linear.

Mark
 

admin

Administrator
Staff member
If you can open up the distance between top of seat back and grips and get your arms straighter you'll pull harder with less effort off your upper body.
 

Manalive

Member
Thanks to all for the advice, especially @cruzadmin. It certainly did feel a bit close; after an evening's thought, I tried a few alternatives:

(1) - rotating the handlebars round moved them forward about 5 inches. Immediately, the bike felt both more comfortable and a lot more stable at speed!
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(2) - Thinking that having the handlebars aft of the steerer might make it feel more stable, I thought I might be able to get extra room by reversing the seat clamp. With the handlebars still forward, this was a bit too much of a stretch.
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(3) - seat and handlebars both in the rearward position. This was midway between the hunch of version (0) and the comfortable stretch of version (1), but didn't feel nearly so stable. Possibly the seat was a bit over-reclined for its height?
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So, back to (1) and loving it. @ Mark B - I belive you...

God bless,

Alex

EDITED TO ADD: After a 40-minute cycle ride (including a serious hill!), the handlebars have been rotated a little closer - the tops of the arms ached a little! The front lip of the seat is a little high, but not seriously so. And my comparision between the Linear and the Cruzbike on hills may have been a trifle unfair: the Linear has lower gears, AND I'm generally clipped into it, and yet the Cruzbike is already pretty close!
 

defjack

Zen MBB Master
What happened is my foot got caught in the derailler cable which was no fun. Its an easy fix to get the cable out of the way. Jack
 

Manalive

Member
So... moving to London, plus general marriage prep rather stopped work on the Cruzbike: in fact, I was three counties away from it for 6 months!

However, I have (a) now got it in London, and (b) this weekend, took it on a 23-mile off-road ride with a bunch of friends (for a stag party! Not mine: that's to come), including a bunch of hired mountain bikes and one tandem...

Result:
(1) a cruzbike weighing approximately 1 ton, with no suspension and desparately cheap components, coped off-road with no problems, was as fast as anything out there, and wasn't even remotely uncomfortable: none of me was sore, and none of my joints ached, despite a 7-abreast race across a dam :)
(2) fitted my clipless pedals to the Cruzbike for the first time. No problems at all in unclipping, despite the moving bottom bracket. Heartily reccommended (Shimano M424 pedals used here: platforms with 'pop-up' cleats, so they can be ridden in normal shoes as well)
(3) biggest problem was traction uphill (as predicted on this forum...) If I lost momentum on a loose steep climb, I sometimes couldn't get going again, because the front wheel would just slip. Otherwise, brief wheelspin was a constant companion, but not generally a problem.
(4) the idea was that we swap round on the bikes, everyone taking a turn on the tandem. I spent very little time on the tandem! Everyone was keen to have a go on the Cruzbike, but most struggled, although some were trying it in long grass, which didn't help... The stag himself once tried my Linear, and mastered it from the first pedal-stroke, better than I did. However, on the Cruzbike, which I never had any trouble with (and could corner tighter and easier than the Linear after about 5 minutes!), he struggled, even on tarmac. A couple of guys rode off down the road during a pub stop, returning 5 minutes later with slightly grim expressions and sore arms ('newbie death-grip'?) Only one guy got the hang of it properly: I knew that he was successful from the grin :-D According to him, the key was this:

"You have to lean your body INTO the turn!"

Almost everybody, on the initial push-off on the pedal, swerved away from the pushing leg, which made sense. Once thay mastered hanging on to the handlebar to stop this happening, their next problem was getting their second foot onto the pedal before they lost momentum. Once that's mastered, I suspect that Mike's advice about body-leaning would be helpful!

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Number of unconnected bystanders who spontaneously laughed on seeing the Cruzbike: 4
Number of 'cool bike!' calls from children: upwards of half a dozen
Best comment from an unconnected bystander: "Looks like that guy's about to fall asleep!"

A couple of weeks ago, I was mountain-biking in Wales with some guys from the office, and have slightly caught the bug (but was seriously saddle-sore from that standard hired mountain bike!) So, low-racer plans are shelved for the moment, while I build up a decent mountain-Cruzbike. V2-K plus long-travel fork seems the way forward, as John and others have recommended. No point re-inventing the wheel...
 
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