Gone but not forgotten...

Osiris

Zen MBB Master
Well, the event I predicted would never come has come and gone. Several weeks ago someone contacted me regarding the possible sale of my V20. To my surprise he was at my door only a couple of days later, cash in hand, so off it went to some place in South Florida.

The V20 was my fourth recumbent, and I still regard it as the best all-around recumbent there is, but moving to a new home has forced me to radically downsize my collection of 8 bicycles and recumbents. My "go-to" recumbent now is the M5 CHR that I bought several years before the V20. In it's original configuration, it was an absolute nightmare to ride. It suffered from numerous design defects, including a low hanging chain that would continually hit the front wheel in tight turns, and occasionally fall off the large sprocket when just rolling it across the parking lot. The stock seat was positioned in such a way that it placed the rider's weight too far forward, leading to a loss of traction from the rear tire even under moderate braking. The stock handlebars were completely the wrong geometry, making the front end very unstable and overly sensitive to steering inputs.

M5 built the CHR for one reason: to break the world indoor hour record, which it did. But as any designer knows, when you build something for only one purpose, it doesn't do anything else particularly well. Fortunately there were ways to address the CHR's shortcomings to make it more "user friendly", all of which I've done. It still doesn't handle quite as well as the V20 did, but the difference isn't great, and it's a faster and more comfortable bent than the Vendetta. Cruzbikes have a reputation for being great climbers, but I have not found that to be the case. In extremely steep climbs, my other recumbents never suffered traction loss as the V20's front wheel did, especially over rough pavement and/or sand strewn patches. And on milder slopes, all of my other recumbents were faster. The V20 stability and very precise steering, combined with no possibility of pedal or chain strikes on the front wheel, still makes it a better all around bent however. If I lived in an urban environment, the V20 would reign supreme, but I live in flat as a board central Florida and ride mostly paved trails, where outright speed counts more, at least for me. That's what my remaining two recumbents were designed for.

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3bs

whereabouts unknown
don't worry, we won't invalidate your acceptance card. in my view, you are still a part of the tribe.
 

Lief

Guru Schmuru
What @3bs said. Someone like you with clear, concise, and honest evaluations of your experiences is more valuable criteria in this Tribe than the bike you ride.

I mean @RojoRacing is on a rowing machine these days - at least you have wheels. :D
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
Well, the event I predicted would never come has come and gone. Several weeks ago someone contacted me regarding the possible sale of my V20. To my surprise he was at my door only a couple of days later, cash in hand, so off it went to some place in South Florida.

The V20 was my fourth recumbent, and I still regard it as the best all-around recumbent there is, but moving to a new home has forced me to radically downsize my collection of 8 bicycles and recumbents. My "go-to" recumbent now is the M5 CHR that I bought several years before the V20. In it's original configuration, it was an absolute nightmare to ride. It suffered from numerous design defects, including a low hanging chain that would continually hit the front wheel in tight turns, and occasionally fall off the large sprocket when just rolling it across the parking lot. The stock seat was positioned in such a way that it placed the rider's weight too far forward, leading to a loss of traction from the rear tire even under moderate braking. The stock handlebars were completely the wrong geometry, making the front end very unstable and overly sensitive to steering inputs.

M5 built the CHR for one reason: to break the world indoor hour record, which it did. But as any designer knows, when you build something for only one purpose, it doesn't do anything else particularly well. Fortunately there were ways to address the CHR's shortcomings to make it more "user friendly", all of which I've done. It still doesn't handle quite as well as the V20 did, but the difference isn't great, and it's a faster and more comfortable bent than the Vendetta. Cruzbikes have a reputation for being great climbers, but I have not found that to be the case. In extremely steep climbs, my other recumbents never suffered traction loss as the V20's front wheel did, especially over rough pavement and/or sand strewn patches. And on milder slopes, all of my other recumbents were faster. The V20 stability and very precise steering, combined with no possibility of pedal or chain strikes on the front wheel, still makes it a better all around bent however. If I lived in an urban environment, the V20 would reign supreme, but I live in flat as a board central Florida and ride mostly paved trails, where outright speed counts more, at least for me. That's what my remaining two recumbents were designed for.
So funny - I also had an MI and M5 CHR with a Kent Polk Custom seat. I still could never get either of them to really go any faster than the Vendetta for me. They were all neck and neck! But I am short 5'7" and the other 2 are built for taller people. The foot strick and chain rub on them both were also something of an irritant for me too. And of course now with Magic, there really is no contest which it choose for speed or comfort and drive-ability for me. Cheers
 

Osiris

Zen MBB Master
So funny - I also had an MI and M5 CHR with a Kent Polk Custom seat. I still could never get either of them to really go any faster than the Vendetta for me. They were all neck and neck! But I am short 5'7" and the other 2 are built for taller people.

Yeah, I could never figure out how you could be as fast on the Vendetta. With me on it, the M5 CHR is a little over 1 mph faster in top cruising speed than the V20, and the M1 is 2-3 mph faster. But as you say, I'm a lot taller than you are and both bents fit me better, so that may play a big role in how the aerodynamics determine the results. On the other hand, I have yet to equal one of my KOM's that was achieved on the V20. The V20 was slower in the straight sections, but it more than made up for its top speed deficit in the tight turns. Taking the M1 through that segment at high speeds would be suicide.
 
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