I thought recumbent bikes were slower than regular bikes ...

Barefoot Biker

Active Member
... well, not mine! last minute decision to enter the 2025 Florida Senior Games Florida State Games - 10k and 5k recumbent TT last weekend. last participated two years ago. the morning before, my friend james wrecked on our saturday ride and ended up with 8 broken ribs, broken scapula, broken clavicle, punctured long (crossed wheels on the upright) - stayed in the hospital too long, so, i ended up throwing my bike in the truck at 4am. in my haste i remembered everything except for the SRAM battery so, i was creeping around the starting line checking out everyones derailleur looking for a spare! finally found one to borrow. 10k was first and i cranked out *exactly* the same time and power as in 2023 - again, fastest time overall - 27.9mph average.

for the 5k, the nerves were calm and i had one of those perfect starts where you clip in at the perfect time and i hit 29mph just 15 seconds in (a good stiff start, but not one hundred percent). i was originally planning to try to stick to a particular wattage range, but i decided in the moment to just go by feel. when i got to the u-turn at the bottom of the hill, i sat up and unclipped my left foot just in case! again, clipped right back in, powered up the hill and back up to 30mph pretty quickly. i kept reminding myself that 5k is practically a sprint and it doesn't hurt too much to go into the red and fade the power because the bike will hold the speed. ended up with an average speed of 29.3mph on 314 watts, set the course record (for all ages, all bikes) - ten seconds faster than two years ago. felt great!!

to compare to the next fastest bike in the 5k, 358 watts was good for 27.0mph - the cruzbike design leaves a national gold medalist time trial bike more than 30 seconds behind on 44 fewer watts!! i handed the SRAM battery back to the girl i borrowed it from and let her know that her battery had the fastest time on course which is when she made that comment about "regular bikes" - it reminded me, i just did not know before i got one if a recumbent was faster than a time trial bike or not in the real world. granted this was the highly optimized magic version, but in case it's not clear, there is a reason they're in a different category. the time trial bike is not even in the same ball park.
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Nice going on the race Barefoot Biker! It's good to read the data too. Same course and same day which are likely the same wind and temperature conditions validate that recumbents are faster.

In the beginning of my V20 journey there was a nice tailwind heading up the river, and my plan was to snag the 34km Strava KOM on my V20. So I took off and it was a sublime ride. What I didn't know was that Kenta O had the same idea, but he was going to stop at the 25km marker, starting his ride just a few minutes after me. So, here we are, both blasting up the river, me not knowing he is going after the 25km KOM, but he likely noticed me on his way to the same starting point. He winds up beating my 25km segment by 1 second, as well as a few other segments along he way by a handful of seconds. Since he was only going 25km, and I was going 34km, he was on the way home by the time I finished my ride about 15 minutes later. I uploaded my ride at the 34km marker, and coincidentally just a few seconds later he uploaded his ride. I immediately got notifications that he got the KOMs that I had just won a few seconds before. AAAAAAAARGH!


Happy with getting the 34k KOM I was going for, it still stung that he took some of the others hahaha. Now to get to the point, I averaged only 211 watts for that 34km effort and IIRC it was 46.7kph average for the first 25km. Kenta O averaged the same 46.7kph but beat me by 1 second, but it cost him 286 watts. A whopping 75 watts more on his TT bike with HED rear disc and I think a HED Jet 9 front. I doubt he has ever been in a wind tunnel, me neither, and we are both the same height and weight, so that paints a more clear picture. However there are still some unknowns so we can't take that to the bank. He is pretty savvy so I don't think he's far off from that ride being quite optimal, but even if half of the difference (37.5 watts) could be made up, it is still quite a big difference in speed/power. So yes, there is a reason for the different categories
 

chicorider

Zen MBB Master
I was riding with a friend a couple years ago, when we came to the top of a gradual 12 mile downhill that averages about 4%. So, not very steep. It can be a pedally downhill if you want it to be. I was on my V20c and he was on his Specialized Roubaix. Without telling him, I decided to run the hill "chainless," not turning the pedals even once. He was in his drops, big ring, tall gear, cranking away. I beat him to the bottom by a full minute while putting out 0 watts. He even had a 50 pound weight advantage, and he routinely leaves me behind on descents when we are both on DF bikes. He wasn't too happy when I told him I coasted the whole thing.
 

GuytonMike

Member
Wow! Congratulations!! My bike transport car broke on Friday so I was a no show . What age group are you in? I plan to be there next year.
You need to ride the state games next year to qualify for nationals in ‘27.
 

Barefoot Biker

Active Member
Wow! Congratulations!! My bike transport car broke on Friday so I was a no show . What age group are you in? I plan to be there next year.
You need to ride the state games next year to qualify for nationals in ‘27.
i was in 50-54 but i'm bumping up next year. i was in a similar situation last year - didn't trust the transport. i have that sorted now. and, yes, it would be awesome to have more of us participating!
 

Barefoot Biker

Active Member
same watts as a stock ...
i think we both have TT bikes also so we can compare directly. one of the guys i know at this event measures everything with his aeropod. a half a watt here, this skin suit is faster than that, bottles are empty and glued in place, et cetera. we can do the same thing with the vendetta and keep optimizing so, i don't think this is "the difference is fading" so much as you can get closer to the stock bike with these changes if you do nothing to the stock bike.
 

Maverick1

Member
Congrats, well done.
I think we can all agree that everyone who rides a Cruzbike V20 has a need for speed.
I have a need for speed not only with bicycles but also with motorcycles and cars too.
I will purchase a V20 when a used one in my area becomes available at a reasonable price.
I'm 62 years young, have a resting heart rate of 38 bpm, and currently ride a Bacchetta Giro 26, and a Catrike 700. Both are relatively quick but I want more speed.
Along the fairly busy bike path I normally ride, very few riders can pass me, and when they do they are generally half my age on 18 lb full carbon fiber racing bikes.
Here in Southern Ontario Canada we have a short riding season so that's one reason I'm looking into getting a velomobile, as it would greatly extend my riding season, and as a bonus my speed.
It looks like the Snook velomobile out of all mass produced ones is the fastest, where you can maintain 50-60 kms per hour on flat ground.
I can only average 30 kms/hour on my Bacchetta, so this would be a huge difference in speed, and make me "King of the Trail."
Plus with a velomobile you can ride in inclement weather.
Cheers.
 

trplay

Zen MBB Master

Everything you wrote honestly makes you sound like a perfect fit for the Cruzbike Virtual Race Team (CVRT) — not just because of a need for speed, but because you clearly enjoy being challenged and love pushing yourself to the next level.
That’s exactly what our team is about.
Here’s why you should really consider joining us:
You like a challenge — so do we. CVRT is full of riders who enjoy testing themselves, learning, improving, and seeing what they can do with the right support.
You’ll get a big motivation bump. Riding on your own is great… but having a team behind you — cheering you on, giving tips, training together — turns steady progress into real growth.
It fills your off-season perfectly. Since you’re in Ontario and have a short outdoor season, CVRT gives you year-round structure through Zwift races and group rides. You stay sharp even when it’s snowing outside.
The community is the real magic. The camaraderie, the encouragement, the humor, the shared “let’s push ourselves today” attitude.
Guys like you should give CVRT some thought. CVRT will push you, support you, and make the journey a whole lot more fun.
Exactly what our team is about.
 

Maverick1

Member
Everything you wrote honestly makes you sound like a perfect fit for the Cruzbike Virtual Race Team (CVRT) — not just because of a need for speed, but because you clearly enjoy being challenged and love pushing yourself to the next level.
That’s exactly what our team is about.
Here’s why you should really consider joining us:
You like a challenge — so do we. CVRT is full of riders who enjoy testing themselves, learning, improving, and seeing what they can do with the right support.
You’ll get a big motivation bump. Riding on your own is great… but having a team behind you — cheering you on, giving tips, training together — turns steady progress into real growth.
It fills your off-season perfectly. Since you’re in Ontario and have a short outdoor season, CVRT gives you year-round structure through Zwift races and group rides. You stay sharp even when it’s snowing outside.
The community is the real magic. The camaraderie, the encouragement, the humor, the shared “let’s push ourselves today” attitude.
Guys like you should give CVRT some thought. CVRT will push you, support you, and make the journey a whole lot more fun.
Exactly what our team is about.
Thanks.
I've never heard of (CVRT), but I'll look into it.
Everyone, have yourselves a wonderful weekend.
Peace.
 
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