Impressions of the Silvio from a new guy

DanD

New Member
I've had my Silvio for just over 3 weeks now and thought I'd share my first impressions. First, I dressed out the frame with Campy Centaur components, Vento wheels, and Origin 8 Gary bar. Since Doug had already put so much work in such a splendid component selection for another bike, I didn't see any point in trying to improve on it. Thanks Doug :D

When I placed my order with Lickton's I ordered a longer tandem cable for the rear brake but forgot the cable liners. I later picked up about 5 feet of brake liner for the rear brake, and another 3 feet or so of liner for the shift cables as the Centaur cable kit didn't have enough for this frame layout. This was my first ever scratch made bicycle, so this has been a fun learning experience.

Day 1: First ride after adjusting the derailleurs, 2AM on a very early and quiet Friday morning. No brakes due to no cable liner. In retrospect, this was not a good idea :p Had this been a test drive in a store I never would have bought such a contraption. I had a hard time keeping the darn thing on the asphalt of a small neighborhood street - I was worried about hitting a parked car, but couldn't predict which side of the street it would be on! This lasted for about 15 minutes with periods of hysterical laughter that surprisingly didn't rouse the neighbors.

Day 2: I decided to try again with brakes and daylight - much better! I discovered I could turn around in a cul-de-sac, providing there weren't too many parked cars. A little girl on a pink bicycle rode circles around me while I attempted to pedal in a straight line and occasionally turn. About 30 minutes of practice and muttering unspeakable things under my breath.

Day 3: I managed to turn around on a narrow 2-lane residential street without putting my feet down. Impressive! The sidewalk was becoming a distant goal.

Day 4: I rode 3.6 miles down sidewalks and across busy streets to a nearby bike shop and bought a simple wireless bike computer.

Day 5: rode 15 miles one way to work in about an hour, hung out for about 8 hours, then rode home along a slightly shorter route. My average velocity was right around 12 miles per hour, with some waiting for auto traffic and street lights.

Day 13: After just over 200 miles to and from work over 9 days, my average velocity has improved to between 15 and 17 mph, depending on how energetic I feel.

I have a hard time keeping up with a fellow bicycle commuter from work on the long, gradual uphills, but he's been at this for 4 years and is something of a monster. This is my 3rd week. I easily overtake him on the downhills, but gravity is a bit more fond of me than him. With only a 13 tooth smallest sprocket on a standard road group, I pedal out around 30 mph on the downhills, then coast up to 35 or so. I don't like to pedal downhill with such a high cadence at those speeds because it makes my steering too wobbly. A high cadence when pushing up hill or on flats is easier, and if totally flat sustaining 20 or 25 mph is a blast! I'll probably switch to a 12 or 11t smallest at some point in the future, but I love the 29t big gear on uphills for a nice easy pace uphill.

The best part is that it only takes me an extra 15 minutes to commute by bicycle (one way) vs driving a car, and thats on days when the auto traffic is flowing smoothly. Some days on the way home the freeway is packed and hardly moving, but I have yet to encounter a traffic jam on the bike path. I have had to swerve to avoid hitting a few irreverent prairie dogs who decide to scurry across the path right in front of me. I have not yet come to terms with the few moments of terror I felt as a result of a prairie dog appearing suddenly on the path in front of me.

Several months ago I was contemplating nerve damage and a dead foot on my right leg due to a herniated disc and compressed nerves. Fortunately no surgery was required and my foot started working again after taking steroids for a couple of weeks. I tried riding my mountain bike to work, but had to get a ride home. My lower back was very uncomfortable, and the dreaded tingling sensations re-appeared in my foot. After riding the Silvio for almost 3 weeks my back feels fantastic. I have finally discovered a fun and consistent way to exercise without jarring my back and risking further injury. This has been a rather expensive experiment, but for me it has already paid off. Feeling healthy is truly priceless.

Next up, some sort of wind screen or fairing to keep the cold winter wind of my feet and legs. I plan on riding right up until it snows here.
 

JonB

Zen MBB Master
It is great to hear your story. How come you picked the Silvio and not another cruzbike?
 

Mark B

Zen MBB Master
Dan,

Where are you at, Colorado? Great write up, sounds a lot like some of my first experience. I built a conversion as my experiment, so I had pretty good practice prior to building a Silvio.

Sounds like you're well on your way, keep up the good work!

Mark
 

backley

New Member
This was an excellent report, Dan. I can empathize with you completely as I have experienced all of the issues that you mention in your post.
For me it has come down to three main issues after some practice in parking lots and now along quiet rural roads.
1) I am nervous around traffic and when I get nervous, I hold the handlebars with a harder grip than I normally use. When I do hold the handle bars with a hard grip, the steering is more shaky and I am more likely to wobble. This is just a matter of confidence and I ecxpect to improve here because I understand it mentally, it is a matter of translating this into a new learned response.

2) When I slow down going up hills, I do not have the forward velocity to keep me going straight and the wheels begin to wander and I become wobbly and I must stop before I crash. This is usually the end of the ride and the time to turn home because I cannot seem to start on a hill.

3) When I am going down hill at a good clip (22 mph) and I try to peddle without being in a gear that is high enough to provide some more forward momentum, the action of peddling makes me wobbly and I have to stop peddling and hang on or I just have to stop.

Any ideas from some of the more experienced Silvio users would be helpful.

The one great thing about the bike is that my nagging shoulder and elbow pain is gone! That is great news and a major accomplishment.

Best wishes to all,
Blaine
 

Mark B

Zen MBB Master
backley wrote: This was an excellent report, Dan. I can empathize with you completely as I have experienced all of the issues that you mention in your post.
For me it has come down to three main issues after some practice in parking lots and now along quiet rural roads.
1) I am nervous around traffic and when I get nervous, I hold the handlebars with a harder grip than I normally use. When I do hold the handle bars with a hard grip, the steering is more shaky and I am more likely to wobble. This is just a matter of confidence and I ecxpect to improve here because I understand it mentally, it is a matter of translating this into a new learned response.

You got it, just a matter of time on the bike, which exudes confidence and then translates into better handling skills. Your body know's what to do, it's just your brain that gets you into trouble!

backley wrote:
2) When I slow down going up hills, I do not have the forward velocity to keep me going straight and the wheels begin to wander and I become wobbly and I must stop before I crash. This is usually the end of the ride and the time to turn home because I cannot seem to start on a hill.
Here's where you need to get your upperbody involved. As you increase the torque to the pedals, you need to countersteer with the upperbody. Again, your body probably already know's this, your brain just hasn't gotten the message! You can even practice this in your parking lot sessions, increasing the pedal steer on purpose and then countering it.

backley wrote:
3) When I am going down hill at a good clip (22 mph) and I try to peddle without being in a gear that is high enough to provide some more forward momentum, the action of peddling makes me wobbly and I have to stop peddling and hang on or I just have to stop.

You know, I had almost forgotten about this phenomenon. You're right, though. I went through the same thing and it's a little unnerving. Like everything else, though, it gets better with time in the saddle. I go screaming down hills now, my feet churning like crazy and holding my line, so it will get better, as well. I almost laugh because while it seems like just yesterday, it has been quite some time sinceI went through some of these issues. I don't even think about them anymore. I guess you have to keep in mind that you are relearning to ride a bike all over again. It will be well worth your bother and soon, you will be the one assuring new riders that it can and will be done when you relax and have fun with your new bike!

backley wrote: The one great thing about the bike is that my nagging shoulder and elbow pain is gone! That is great news and a major accomplishment.

Best wishes to all,
Blaine

Sounds like it was well worth the cost of admission right there! You're going to love this bike more and more as you get yourself dialed into it!

Mark
 

cycleguy

Active Member
Quote: 3) When I am going down hill at a good clip (22 mph) and I try to peddle without being in a gear that is high enough to provide some more forward momentum, the action of peddling makes me wobbly and I have to stop peddling and hang on or I just have to stop.

Yes, I have had this issue as well... and I've gotten into the habit of starting to pedal slow down a hill while shifting up to a larger gear until I start feeling pressure on the pedals. Just turn enough so that the gears shift and then you'll be able to tell as you shift if you are in the right gear. Works well.

Harold
 

DanD

New Member
JonB - After a few weeks of study I concluded that if I went with any other model that I'd end up wanting the Silvio. I have a lot of hills to deal with, so weight is a big factor. I also like making things, so that when they need serviced I know exactly what to do.

Mark - I'm in the South Denver area. I'm going on my 4th week of commuting 11 miles one way. No more stress sitting in the traffic jams of Denver ! 264 miles as of this morning. The belly is shrinking, the leg muscles are growing. Yeah! Thanks to posters like yourself on this forum and a bit of encouragement from fellow commuters at work, this has been a great decision.

Backley - time and practice. It took me 4 days before I was comfortable leaving the neighborhood. Even after 4 weeks of commuting I'm still a bit wobbly at times, but not enough to make me dangerous in a bike lane. I did wander off a sidewalk this morning as I pedaled up-hill - the brief encounter with wet grass was cause to sit up suddenly and put my feet down. The bounce back onto the sidewalk caused the chain to fall off the inner chainring, so I'll be adding a bit more tension. I imagine it was pretty comical looking to any passing motorists. I think I was dodging a puddle to avoid the 'wet neck' feeling I get from time to time :lol:

The advice to not think too much about what you are doing when you ride is good. I'm always shifting gears - even on the long flats. I find I'm either always gradually slowing down, or gradually speeding up, so I shift to try and keep a consistent level of pressure on the pedals. I LOVE the Campy shifters & derailleurs - very smooth and quick. If I try to go uphill with too much pedal pressure at too low of a speed then I get wobbly and fall over. If I pedal too fast downhill then I wobble with the cadence of my pedaling. When things feel just right, I press against a pedal and pull on the handle with one arm, push with the other. If I start going too fast downhill I just stop pedaling and coast. For me and the standard road group and 29-13 rear cassette, I quit pedaling downhill around 28 to 30 mph or I get afraid. But - when the trail goes from downhill back to flat or uphill, I can comfortably pedal at 30 mph due to the added pressure on the pedals. It has taken a bit to get used to the sudden change in torque when I change gears - all these little changes affect the forces on the steering. With practice and patience it becomes second nature.
 

Mark B

Zen MBB Master
DanD wrote: Mark - I'm in the South Denver area. I'm going on my 4th week of commuting 11 miles one way. No more stress sitting in the traffic jams of Denver ! 264 miles as of this morning. The belly is shrinking, the leg muscles are growing. Yeah! Thanks to posters like yourself on this forum and a bit of encouragement from fellow commuters at work, this has been a great decision.

I figured Colorado, though I figured something more like Boulder. The prarie dogs on the bike trail were the dead giveaway. ;)

Mark
 
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