Q45 My first 100 miles

woodguy

Well-Known Member
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It took way too long for me to get in my 1st 100 miles, but I wanted to wait until now to post a report because I had so much to learn. I hope to hear from other new Cruzbikers on their experience because I am sure there are still things I am missing. I ordered my Q45 on day 1, and received it within a week of ordering. A combination of life getting in the way, and a Wisconsin winter that wouldn't quit is the reason I have been slow to get to this point.
ASSEMBLY: Cruzbike says a novice should take about 2 - 3 hours, and an experienced bike mechanic 30 minutes to assemble. I thought I was somewhere in between those two points, but it took me more than 3 hours. The video and instructions are very helpful, but things don't always go as planned. If I put another one together right now I could probably do it in half the time. I appreciated the information from Cruzbike on a couple of mistakes made at the factory, and they clearly explained how to correct. Tip - if you get the touring and commuting rack, watch, but don't try to follow the instructions in the video on the website. It won't go together like that. I had to get creative to make it fit, but now that it is on, I really like it.
PRACTICE: I have been reading the forum regularly, and was convinced by the constant repetition from folks emphasizing the importance of following the "learn to ride" exercises. Lots of figure 8's, and attempts at starting from a dead stop. I can now add my voice to the refrain. It was valuable to get adjusted slowly because this is a whole new way of riding a bike. I didn't want to get anywhere near traffic for at least my first 20 miles, and then I mostly just went to my local bike trail for another 20 miles.
ROAD WORK: I think because I was diligent about the practice, when I did get out on the road, things went better than I expected. Every ride gets more comfortable. I have a favorite 20 mile loop I have done near home for the past few years because it has a combination of hills & flats, and not too much traffic. I like to challenge myself to improve my time on that course, and I am happy to report that on my 2nd trip with the Q45, I logged my best ever time. I am not a racer, so a personal best is reward enough.
LESSONS I HAVE LEARNED: There are a few things I learned that I don't remember reading anywhere. I may have just missed them, but I hope others can make good use of these when they are learning.
1. Starting from a dead stop - this is of course most difficult to do when all of the cars on the road have stopped and are watching you try to cross the road on the bike path! The thing I have learned is to get in the lowest gear when approaching anything that may cause you to stop. It is so much easier to get going from that low gear without swerving all over, and it is worth the inconvenience of downshifting even if you might not need to stop if no traffic is coming.
2. High speed wobble - I don't have to worry about this a lot, but I do get some downhills which will get me over 30 mph. I have read about others who have wobble problems at higher speeds, but my solution is to just stop pedaling. The worst thing is when I spin the crank trying to put pressure on the pedal unsuccessfully. That introduces wobble. Just enjoy the speed with no work.
POSSIBLE FUTURE UPDATES TO MY Q45:
*One of my biggest concerns before purchase was the 1 x 11 gearing structure. Would the lowest gear be low enough to let me get up my steepest hills. So far I have had no trouble there. On the other end, would the highest gear be enough to keep me going as fast as I would like. On that, the jury is still out. There have been a number of times I go looking for a bigger gear and there is nothing left. I am doing the Biking Across Kansas ride in June, and I will probably be able to make a decision after that whether to put a front derailleur on.
*Clip in pedals are much more likely to get done before the Kansas ride. I have used them with my LWB recumbent, but thought I would wait until I got comfortable on the Q45. I think I am there. From what I have read on the forum, the consensus seems to be Frogs. Let me know if you feel differently.
*I have found the standard seat to be more comfortable than anything I have had before, but I read a lot about the Ventisit pad on the Thor seat on the forum. I will probably see how thing go in Kansas before making that decision.

Thanks for reading this, and thanks for all the great information on the forum that got me to this point. Hope to see some of you out on the road somewhere.
 

ak-tux

Zen MBB Master
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2. High speed wobble - I don't have to worry about this a lot, but I do get some downhills which will get me over 30 mph. I have read about others who have wobble problems at higher speeds, but my solution is to just stop pedaling. The worst thing is when I spin the crank trying to put pressure on the pedal unsuccessfully. That introduces wobble. Just enjoy the speed with no work.
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Nice write-up and beautiful bike!

My advice on the downhill: if you had stopped pedalling and want to resume while at speed, start moving your feet slowly without any sudden jolts of force.

Make it look like pedalling in slow motion then gradually increase your cadence until you feel some resistance. This will avoid a wobble.
 
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paco1961

Zen MBB Master
Well done. You seem to have hit the most important bits on the learning curve. Overall the most valuable lesson while learning is to leave the ego at home. Slow and steady progress ain't sexy but it gets the job done without (mostly!) major incident!
 

paco1961

Zen MBB Master
I'll add one more essential drill to cover before venturing out into traffic. Riding steadily w 1 hand so you can signal, drink and knock the bumble bee out of your glasses. Going down a hill at 40mph is not the time to figure out that essential little bit!
 

3WHELZ

Guru
Also, do not ride with loose shorts. Swatting a wasp in the nether regions tends to result in loss of control in one manner or another! My learned experience in the first season. :eek::eek::emoji_bee:
 

woodguy

Well-Known Member
I'll add one more essential drill to cover before venturing out into traffic. Riding steadily w 1 hand so you can signal, drink and knock the bumble bee out of your glasses. Going down a hill at 40mph is not the time to figure out that essential little bit!
Agreed!
 

woodguy

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Also, do not ride with loose shorts. Swatting a wasp in the nether regions tends to result in loss of control in one manner or another! My learned experience in the first season. :eek::eek::emoji_bee:
Don't even want to think about that too much! Thanks for the tip.
 

woodguy

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Since you don't seem to need the lowest gear, you could just get a larger chainring. That's what I'm going to do on mine.
I actually do need that lowest gear, I just don't need anything lower. I wish there was a good way to get more spread between the 11 gears offered. It seems like I often shift 2 gears at a time because moving 1 at a time doesn't give me as much difference as I want.
 

woodguy

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Nice write-up and beautiful bike!

My advice on the downhill: if you had stopped pedalling and want to resume while at speed, start moving your feet slowly without any sudden jolts of force.

Make it look like pedalling in slow motion then gradually increase your cadence until you feel some resistance. This will avoid a wobble.
Well said, and thanks for the explanation.
 

Rampa

Guru
The trick is get the wider range 11 speed freewheeel, like 11-40/42, and then get a bigger chain ring. That way you can have a much higher gear while maintaining a low enough gear with your larger chain ring.
 

alansills

Member
"but I read a lot about the Ventisit pad on the Thor seat on the forum" - What is a "thor seat" and where does one get one?
 

dtseng

Well-Known Member
"but I read a lot about the Ventisit pad on the Thor seat on the forum" - What is a "thor seat" and where does one get one?

You can either google "Thor seat" or send him private message from here. His CB Tribe name is Greg. CF seat costs 195 + 35 shipping.
 

benphyr

Guru-me-not
@woodguy

Nice work on the bike and nice work on the write up. Greatly appreciated.

Re: clip in pedals. Absolutely go for it, you needn't clip in while stopped, you can always wait until moving without traffic and then clip in and clip out well in advance just like you mentioned about the down shifting well in advance. If you like your clip in pedals quite tight, you may want to loosen them off a little for a short period of time until you get used to the slightly different effect on the Cruzbike platform.

Re: gearing and catching up to pedalling cadence. You may want to check what your cadence is. The cranks are fairly short which lends itself to higher cadence which in turn is good for the knees (lower force per revolution), good for shifting, good for maintaining power through shifting, and stability throughout - but, it does take getting used to if you were previously a low cadence heavy pusher. When you have high cadence in your repertoire it is much, much easier to spin up to a higher cadence when catching up to the wheels when adding power out of coasting downhill. At least that is what I am finding after this winter's increase-the-cadence self-inflicted-lessons. I'll second Ak-tux gently increase peddling until you catch up to the current speed. (Patience! I speak to myself.)

Speed wobble - I don't think that is a speed wobble. I think a speed wobble is induced wobble when there are harmonic vibrations that add together from things like out of balance wheels that adds up to become a wobble. What we usually experience is wobble induced by an initial bump or twitch or anything and then we ourselves overreact and then continue to overreact back and forth (subconsciously). I have watched my kids learn to ride a "normal" bike and they do exactly the same thing. It goes away once we get used to the actions and reactions of the type of bicycle we are riding. Practice, practice, practice. I think that the Cruzbike geometry provides integrated vibration dampening because the whole frame is pretty much directly connected to one or another part of our bodies. And as an aside if you develop a speed wobble on a diamond frame bike then gently stop pedalling and gently lean the meat of the inside of your leg against the top tube all the while definitely holding the handlebars but avoid a death-grip if you can. If you have to brake, try to do it gently until the wobble is gone. If the wobble was induced by the brake... use the other one.

Okay, all that stuff sounded awfully arrogant. Those are my experiences and thoughts. If they help just one person avoid pain then it is worth it.

Cheers,
Ben.
 

dtseng

Well-Known Member
Speed wobble or shimmy is common among DF bikes. It is due to elastic torsional oscillation of the bike frame. When the front wheel gains sufficient angular momentum such as during
fast down hill run, the torsional oscillation of the frame causes the front wheel to make alternating left and right turns at a rate some thing like 10 to 20 per second.
 

woodguy

Well-Known Member
The trick is get the wider range 11 speed freewheeel, like 11-40/42, and then get a bigger chain ring. That way you can have a much higher gear while maintaining a low enough gear with your larger chain ring.
I like this idea a lot. The better I get on the Q45, the more I want to go faster, and I am running out of gears quickly. A quick search on google offers lots of choices. How does a relative novice like me make the right selection of brand and model?
 

Velocivixen

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Thank you for your write up. Your Q45 is really nice.

I am considering getting my first ever Cruzbike and the Q45 is the focus of my research.
Happy pedaling.
 
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