Team Results and a big surprise

[RojoRacing]

We can try that - I think I could hang on - and I would like a little harder workout than I had last week, but I also don't want to pull the team down if there are 8 "good" riders that want to participate - let me know which way to go - not sure if I should sigh up for what team at this point - so please advise before it gets to late. (I did find working with the ATP team more or a workout than the Bees however if that means anything)

the ATP racing page has a poll open so just select (A,B Frappe upper aka team 5) and maybe John will put you on his team. I never know if John will take me for his Frappe team or if I'll end up with Ken on his Espresso team. I right in the middle where I'm an MVP in Frappe but in Espresso I usually end up sitting in for the second half. I'm going to laugh and point out how ironic it would be for you to get on team 5 only for me to end up on team 1 and have you experience John poor audio when he gives call outs because all you hear the whole race is his wife in the background making calls to her team

 

[LarryOz]

the ATP racing page has a poll open so just select (A,B Frappe upper aka team 5) and maybe John will put you on his team. I never know if John will take me for his Frappe team or if I'll end up with Ken on his Espresso team. I right in the middle where I'm an MVP in Frappe but in Espresso I usually end up sitting in for the second half. I'm going to laugh and point out how ironic it would be for you to get on team 5 only for me to end up on team 1 and have you experience John poor audio when he gives call outs because all you hear the whole race is his wife in the background making calls to her team

Dang - as I was reading this my wife just reminded me that it is her birthday and she just made reservations at a restaurant- guess I will have to pass for this week. Anything similar on Wed to get a race in?

 

[RojoRacing]

No TTT type stuff. I know ATP has races they do on the weekends and I think Monday that they may organize team tactic on through discord. None that I do because between the CruzBike TT and TTT I font really have racing legs for a 3 rd event in a week.

 

[benphyr]

. (I did find working with the ATP team more or a workout than the Bees however if that means anything)

We should have nominated you tugboat and just taken turns behind you.

 

[LarryOz]

We should have nominated you tugboat and just taken turns behind you.

No offense intended Ben! Looking for something that is going to force me to exceed 4.0 a lot and end up with an average near 4 - since one of my goals

 

[trplay]

It would be neat if a TTT team would enter one of the several Hare and Hound races and race like a team. I suspect it would gain a crowd around it and be great practice for the real TTT. The TTT and H&H are similar styles but there are a lot of small differences. Honing a teams TTT skills in the H&H would certainly help make a team better.

 

[RojoRacing]

Larry with your ATP team six you should have no problem getting over 4.0 as your average. You just have to ride like a team captain as I do which means you have to pull hard but when you drop back don’t drop all the way to the rear. So you need to stay in that second or third position and ensure no gaps open up and every time a new rider pulls through you pull through on their wheel so you’re initially in that second position. If you notice the next rider on deck is right there you can go ahead and dropped the third position and let them take over second.

in my race you can see every time Derek takes over at the front I always follow him through. This is because Derek is the first of the three strong riders to take his pool each rotation and if a gap is going to open, it is going to open when a weaker rider rotates off the front and a strong rider pulls through. This is because A weaker Rider doesn’t have the ability to completely shut down their power to drop back, they have to ease off just a little bit so they don’t get dropped which is a recipe for sticky draft gaps.

also because you are a lightweight you should take your pulls at 0.3-0.5 wkg higher than your teammates to match similar watts and speeds.

 

[RojoRacing]

It would be neat if a TTT team would enter one of the several Hare and Hound races and race like a team. I suspect it would gain a crowd around it and be great practice for the real TTT. The TTT and H&H are similar styles but there are a lot of small differences. Honing a teams TTT skills in the H&H would certainly help make a team better.

that would be a terrible idea.

 

[trplay]

that would be a terrible idea.

LOL, I accurately predicted audibly called your response. Ok, I'm listening?????

 

[RojoRacing]

Do I really need to state a half a dozen reasons why it would be a bad idea? Think about all the things that go wrong in a normal TT that make it difficult to smoothly work as a team add in a couple other variables and take those first variables and multiply them by three.

 

[trplay]

Do I really need to state a half a dozen reasons why it would be a bad idea?

Ugh, yes.

 

[ccooper]

You just have to ride like a team captain as I do which means you have to pull hard but when you drop back don’t drop all the way to the rear.

I think I'll give that a try. I'll get a better workout and the team should be faster.

 

[RojoRacing]

Ugh, yes.

You guys really push the limits of my patients making me type this stuff out via text.

1. Riders will tend to overtake the lead rider only to back off and sticky draft them back or they may pull through unexpectedly, you'll have no idea
2. riders will move into the top 5 positions only to ease off and open gaps because they want to drop back, this will force the actual TTT riders to ride at near the leader's effort the whole time to ensure they stay in the top 5.
3. You'll still get people to attack although that would be the smallest issue in my opinion
4. you're kidding yourself if you think you can get anyone in the group outside your own team on discord to cooperate with you.

It doesn't take much to get the A riders going. I think when I did the one chase event there was only 3-4 of us pulling in the first half. A group is a double edge sword, we have no ceiling so our riders can be over 5.0 wkg but A group also has the highest concentration of riders looking to practice their sit in and do no work until the end tactics.

 

[trplay]

That's only 4, and they miss the training objectives. What are the other two?

 

[benphyr]

@trplay I dub thee Incorrigible. Henceforth thou shalt be referred to as the Incorrigible pesterer of the @RojoRacing Doughnut Danger Zone.

 

[benphyr]

No offense intended Ben! Looking for something that is going to force me to exceed 4.0 a lot and end up with an average near 4 - since one of my goals

No offence taken. I could have wished we made better use of you is all.

 

[ccooper]

@LarryOz , if you're not already on an ATP team this week, we have room for one more on the Killer Bees. Should be faster this week -- I'm the weakest on the team.

 

[RojoRacing]

@LarryOz , if you're not already on an ATP team this week, we have room for one more on the Killer Bees. Should be faster this week -- I'm the weakest on the team.

he said he was out this week with adulting obligations or something lame like that.

 

[benphyr]

We'll just have to be faster without Larry! My sixth sense (pain) is tingling.

 

[LarryOz]

@LarryOz , if you're not already on an ATP team this week, we have room for one more on the Killer Bees. Should be faster this week -- I'm the weakest on the team.

Sorry - Birthday reservations for dinner with my wife - her birthday, not mine - so missing this week. Yeah, pretty lame - but would be lamer to leave her alone and race instead- so I am picking what does not put in the doghouse for a week or more! Go kill it!