The G4 Bicycle , Potential MBB/Cruzbike Diversification Candidate?

ak-tux

Zen MBB Master
@Opik , the only way to tell the difference between the two designs is to build and test with an open mind.

That requires someone with the build skills , tools , time, analyical mind and curiosity. Someone like @markciccio . Marco has extensive experince in MBB and can easily test this design and compare with power numbers.

For the rest it's wait and see.
 
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MattB

New Member
My main concern is the massive q-factor.

Looking at the videos, I feel that this might put significant angular strain on the hips on long rides, perhaps the ankles too. If the cassette faced in the opposite direction, the smaller cogs could sit above the tyre perhaps? The Cruzbike obviously avoids this issue by placing the bottom bracket at a higher point where the fork is narrower.

It seems that to some extent the large q-factor is unavoidable. We're trading a standard 70mm width bottom bracket with a wheel spacing of 130mm + fork width + return sprocket. I'm not 100% sure as the design specifics vary, but it seems that we shouldn't include the chainring in this width calculation. Another way to look at it is that we need to accommodate the 130mm wheel + two chains (over 10mm). It seems that no matter the design, the q-factor will be at least 70mm greater than with a typical BB. My guess is that 75mm-80mm would be a reasonable estimate.

A good test (for those who don't own a G4) might be to attach pedal extenders and then go for a long ride. Most shops seem to only carry 20mm versions (x2 increases q-factor by 40mm). I guess using a pair of these on each side would do the job. It seems that 30mm extenders are available at a few specialist retailers.

I would love to see a design that avoided "wheel flop" and made front wheel drive cycling more accessible to the masses. I'm not sure this G4 design is a path to toward that goal.

For now I'm very happy to carry my front wheel strap!

PS: I agree with many of the sentiments here. Great to throw these different ideas around. Thanks to @ak-tux for the original post. Whether or not we find the next revolutionary design, I'm sure we'll develop extra appreciation for the many benefits of the Cruzbike architecture.
 

ak-tux

Zen MBB Master
My main concern is the massive q-factor.

Looking at the videos, I feel that this might put significant angular strain on the hips on long rides, perhaps the ankles too. If the cassette faced in the opposite direction, the smaller cogs could sit above the tyre perhaps? The Cruzbike obviously avoids this issue by placing the bottom bracket at a higher point where the fork is narrower.

It seems that to some extent the large q-factor is unavoidable. We're trading a standard 70mm width bottom bracket with a wheel spacing of 130mm + fork width + return sprocket. I'm not 100% sure as the design specifics vary, but it seems that we shouldn't include the chainring in this width calculation. Another way to look at it is that we need to accommodate the 130mm wheel + two chains (over 10mm). It seems that no matter the design, the q-factor will be at least 70mm greater than with a typical BB. My guess is that 75mm-80mm would be a reasonable estimate.

A good test (for those who don't own a G4) might be to attach pedal extenders and then go for a long ride. Most shops seem to only carry 20mm versions (x2 increases q-factor by 40mm). I guess using a pair of these on each side would do the job. It seems that 30mm extenders are available at a few specialist retailers.

I would love to see a design that avoided "wheel flop" and made front wheel drive cycling more accessible to the masses. I'm not sure this G4 design is a path to toward that goal.

For now I'm very happy to carry my front wheel strap!

PS: I agree with many of the sentiments here. Great to throw these different ideas around. Thanks to @ak-tux for the original post. Whether or not we find the next revolutionary design, I'm sure we'll develop extra appreciation for the many benefits of the Cruzbike architecture.

Yeah, q-factor would be a concern in addition to the general complexity of the double chain drive and wheel change.

Well, good effort though, and besides it's never wrong to think out of the box sometimes.

The Cruzbike MBB design is still the simplest front wheel drive iteration in my opinion.
 

bladderhead

Zen MBB Master
That Q factor looks normal to me. No duck-walk. I wonder if it has pawls, or is it like a fixie? Epicyclic hub does not mind which way you torque it, clockwise or anti.
 

bret

Well-Known Member
Don’t know if it actually came to market.

I just saw this thread, and the Trivek video was shot outside of Quantum Bicycles - the people making the axle adaptor for my Grin Technologies motor and later other bits. I called Aldo and asked about it, and he says the fellow in the video who did the design is deceased, but Aldo is moving on manufacturing the bikes. Big problem - Taiwan will take a year to get going on the frames. Aldo will be working out some remaining bits, particularly a motor.

This should be interesting.
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
Interesting but sales are all. Interesting has not passed muster many a time disappointment the end result. I personally am happy with the cruzbike. Yeah wheel flop can be a very minor concern along with front wheel slippage. But the positives are so good they outpoint any other design I’ve ridden or felt interested enough to try. And subjective people are a pain to any business model. Sometimes the best products might dismally fail.
 

Rob Lloyd

Well-Known Member
FYI, Ron built a new bike this year with the goal of going faster. He moved the BB up and forward a bit.

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bladderhead

Zen MBB Master
That thing has negative caster angle. I cannot remember what the effect of that is supposed to be.

There appears to be a huge tiller effect.

This may be a daft question, but why the triangular structure above the front wheel? Is it just a place to hang a frame-pack?
 

Don1

Guru
I can see what he's trying to do but it just looks like he ran up the back of a bus... Next iteration will look exactly like a cruzbike.....
 

bladderhead

Zen MBB Master
Two heads and pushrod and extra frame to hold it. Nice to have all that extra weight.

CoolBreeze said:
It would seem the remote steering arrangement eliminates the upper body engagement that Cruzbikes allow
Probably feels like an unsuspended Grasshopper. Seat-pushing and not bar-pulling.

On a Cruzbike I think the legs bend sideways at the hips. If the pivot-point is so far forward, will there be sideways knee problems? Probably only commuters need to worry about this.

It can take a frame-pack but can it take a rack?
 
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