The Tour of California is Making it Hard to Poach Strava Segments

RojoRacing

Donut Powered Wise-guy
Mostly a tongue in cheek thread since it's obvious we on her are not Pro and certainly can't compete against them when there are 50 of them working together :rolleyes:

You'll see like 20-30 riders all within 5 seconds of each other and then me the next guy back but by a solid 3-4 mins :eek: and were talking about slightly DH segments where I hold the advantage. Anyone else have their local favorite ride poached by a pro tour or solid local road race series?
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
You'll see like 20-30 riders all within 5 seconds of each other and then me the next guy back but by a solid 3-4 mins :eek: and were talking about slightly DH segments where I hold the advantage. Anyone else have their local favorite ride poached by a pro tour or solid local road race series?
funny you should mention that Jason.
Here is a conversation with someone over near Raleigh. I stole some KOM's from him that were about 4 years old!
https://www.strava.com/activities/981341918
  1. Rouler 365 A five mile ride w 2 KOMs? That so lame dude

  2. Larry Oslund I stopped and started my Garmin several times to check my intervals. Total of about 150 minutes road time. Check my other rides from today.

  3. Rouler 365 Right on man. Strong riding!!!
    3 days ago
  4. Dave Dixon Yeah Larry you shouldn't be able to get a KOM unless there's at least a century on each side of it.

  5. Morten Tietze He he.... Well done!

  6. Larry Oslund Thanks - haha - Good Point Dave - local rules must apply - some are more stringent than others! Heck - around here many guys go mountain biking then leave their Garmin on while they drive all over kingdom come - taking dozens of KOM's in the process! :)

  7. Rouler 365 Unfortunately there is no strava etiquette for KOM's. The segment(s) you took were the result of our TNW (Tuesday night worlds) group rides. Not likely anyone could "solo" those segments on a traditional road bike. Motorpacing, group rides, recumbent and TT bikes definitely bring higher speeds to the segments but at the end of the day it's all for fun and a little prestige :)

  8. Larry Oslund Very interesting information Rouler. Thanks. Most would say KOM's should be individual efforts un-aided by any motorized vehicle, or even a group. But obviously you can't stop Strava from recording anything and everything, but at least we can flag something that was obviously recorded in a moving vehicle. What is also interesting is both our efforts where approximately the same power 285'sh so we were both working basically as hard as the other. Only thing we don't have for comparison is watts/KG.

  9. Rouler 365 Agreed and to put things into perspective I was riding in a paceline of four or five pro am racers and we had a great tailwind pushing this along, everyone sprinted for the sign just before the railroad tracks and somehow my time came in three seconds faster. All of our local roads are group ride KOM's with the best racers in the region contributing to the pace

  10. Rouler 365 I was riding at about 4.3 w/kg

  11. Larry Oslund Rouler: There was no tailwind for me, and I rode and took the KOM in the other direction. Other stats: My bike built out at about 30 pounds, and I was riding at 4.2 2/kg. I also shot full video of the ride and will process it with full data overlay and post to YouTube if you are interested. Next time I am in the area, maybe we can meet and ride some. :)
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It is interesting to me that my conversation with this guy started as he was complaining that I took the KOM's because it was such a short ride. Even though in reality it was not, as I had already ridden for 90 minutes (quite hard intervals actually up and down the same road segments), it seems funny to me that it was OK that the KOM was taken by a him within large group (with 4-5 pro am racers and tailwind) and that was OK, but it wasn't OK if I just went out and took the KOM on a "short ride". Kind of makes me want to look up his name, go back there and try and capture every KOM him and his buddies took with their group ride!

As you can see below it wasn't even a downhill segment: as a matter of fact it was more of an uphill segment. I beat his best time by 18 seconds. (At 29.2 mph that is 770'.) There was only 18 seconds between the next 35 riders.
I'll post the video with data overlays in a day or 2.

Power plant road KOM.PNG

Earlier in the day, I took the equivalent downhill segment my 27 seconds. 1 out of 1858!
Faster speed, but OH, that little "hill" at the end was brutal. That little quarter mile sucked my average speed from 32.0 down to 31.5 just like that!

CCC Sharon Hariss KOM.PNG

OK - here is a question for you Strava experts: Why was the first "KOM" of mine posted listed as a "KOM", but the seconds one was not. (It has the little golden crown by it when it is in the list, and it shows up as a KOM when listed with "top resuls" for your ride.) The second one was not listed at all, and I did not find it until I expanded all the segments, and "un-hid" it. Does anyone know why that is? It must be categorized as something else?
 

RojoRacing

Donut Powered Wise-guy
After you un-hide a segment or if one isn't showing you a crown click the wrench button and then the refresh activity achievements button.

Also :lol both those segments are flat in my book.
 

RojoRacing

Donut Powered Wise-guy
That's just a group of wanabee pro's like my noon rides I'm talking about completely unattainable times like this.
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LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
Also :lol both those segments are flat in my book.
For sure Jason - compared to what you ride these are not "hilly" - only pointing out the difference between the 2 segments (up & down), and how hard to average 30mph on anything going up hill in the slightest.

OK - looking at those power numbers - it is interesting that you average power pretty much matched the 2nd place guy, but your time was a whole lot more.
That must have been because all the top guys were riding together too. Oh yeah - different days too.
I'll be you could have probably hung with those guys if the grade wasn't too severe that they would have lost you on the climb, where you could not have caught them on the DH.
Nice ride by you in any event!
 

Bill K

Guru
You guys should come up to Seattle and ride this one.
Its on a bike path and pro riders are smart enough to not race on bike paths (kinda like sharks not going into shallow water).
Still, the leader board is plenty challenging.
Sorry Jason, no hills on this one:)

Redmond-Woodinville
Ride Segment Redmond, WA
  • Distance5.4mi
  • Avg Grade0%
  • Lowest Elev20ft
  • Highest Elev27ft
  • Elev Difference7ft
  • 70,910 Attempts By 8,577 People
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RojoRacing

Donut Powered Wise-guy
For sure Jason - compared to what you ride these are not "hilly" - only pointing out the difference between the 2 segments (up & down), and how hard to average 30mph on anything going up hill in the slightest.

OK - looking at those power numbers - it is interesting that you average power pretty much matched the 2nd place guy, but your time was a whole lot more.
That must have been because all the top guys were riding together too. Oh yeah - different days too.
I'll be you could have probably hung with those guys if the grade wasn't too severe that they would have lost you on the climb, where you could not have caught them on the DH.
Nice ride by you in any event!

Well of course they are riding together it was the tour of California after all. If you look at the dates the top group is same race and then the next group are in another race and then me just in there on my own. When we're talking about groups of riders who are all as good descenders as myself then the V isn't really any faster. I mean loosing 5-10 mins on a climb makes gloating about being 10-20 seconds faster coming back down seem like a joke.

Still crazy to think that group was so much faster and riding at the pace 40-50 miles further that day.
 
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