Tubular wheels

Layne

Active Member
I see a lot of you are interested in running or are riding tubeless setups.. why not run tubulars ? Myself and some of my friends have been riding tubular for a couple years now an we love them ...! Some say what if you flat ! But if you run sealant like the tubeless isn't it essentially the same thing ? What am I missing :).

P.s the vendetta on 23 tubulars at about 80 psi is actually very good on chipsealed roads !!! I'm around 180 lbs so .....
 

Layne

Active Member
If you use the tufo or similar tape mounting is easy and goo free ... granted I'm not riding mountain descents with 40+ mph corners but in rolling country tubulars seem to work really well ...
 

Layne

Active Member
The ease of tire repair on the road is awesome with tubular. With that said, I'm afraid when I flat and raise my hand a car wont show up with a guy hopping out to swap out my wheel. All joking aside that is a good question. I would love to try tubular if I had a buddy to lend me his wheels for awhile. I like tubeless because of the flat prevention. I am under the impression this isn't the tubulars forte, that it is more performance oriented. Tell me more I'm all ears.


Well I guess that's what I'm trying to understand as well .. what's the difference between a tubular with sealant and a tubeless ? I understand that there is a difference as in the design:) but is the function really any different ? I have flatted with the tubular but only rarely.. and before I had sealant in the tires ... if you have a small bottle of stans and a co2 inflator what else would you need ? I'm not trying to come across as this is the way to go .. but am wondering what the functional difference is between the 2 designs .. as for tires I have been using the continental gatorskin tubular around $100 for a pair.. if you go with the 4000 S2 than the price goes way up :)
 

DavidCH

In thought; expanding the paradigm of traversity
I thought tubular were stuck on. So if there was a flat the rubber wouldn't fall off the rim but repairing a tubular takes time because it's stuck on? Tubeless if you get a flat... Albeit messy is quicker to put an inner tube in and go. Am I right as I have never ridden with tubular? Tubular you can usually pump up very high ... If your rims can take it. But it seems that it's fashionable/practical to have lower psi in the tires so that effective rolling resistance is better. So logically I prefer tubeless.
 

Layne

Active Member
I thought tubular were stuck on. So if there was a flat the rubber wouldn't fall off the rim but repairing a tubular takes time because it's stuck on? Tubeless if you get a flat... Albeit messy is quicker to put an inner tube in and go. Am I right as I have never ridden with tubular? Tubular you can usually pump up very high ... If your rims can take it. But it seems that it's fashionable/practical to have lower psi in the tires so that effective rolling resistance is better. So logically I prefer tubeless.

That's right ! If you are carrying a tube to put in a tubeless in the case of a flat and not just depending on the sealant than that's the difference.... but ..... if that's what it takes I won't be going tubeless :) ... if I'm going to have to carry a tube might as well just have normal clincher tires ... I think the traditional view of the tubular is interesting:) as I have only been interested in cycling for about the last 4 years I didn't have any preconceived ideas about them really so I am learning.. i have just had really good luck out of the tubular setup and am looking at the tubeless trend and trying to maybe learn if maybe some of the sealant tech that is currently on the market would help me run them and still get home :)
As far as pressure the way I understand the tubular the rim is a passive part of the system.. pressure is not limited by the rim as the tire is just taped or glued to it and not holding the bead :) so air pressure is contained only by the tire so you can run very high pressure or quite low as pinch flats basically don't happen... so if I get a puncture that is not a huge gash the sealant does its work but if I get a serious cut in the tire I guess I'll be walking or calling for a car :)
 

Layne

Active Member
My thoughts, feel free to correct. I thought the tubulars still had a tube while the tubeless did not. In other words the tubular had an inner tube sewn inside the outer tire while the tubeless tire uses the rim and tire to hold the air. Since these two are using different types of rubber to hold the air the sealants act differently, the tubeless being superior to sealing. Once the tube is destroyed (easier to do than a tubeless tire) so is the tubular tire meaning it could get expensive for high flatters like me.

I believe you are right ..:)
 

Gary123

Zen MBB Master
When a plug repair for tubeless is available, like an auto tire I would be interested, but sealant may be just as good.
 

Gary123

Zen MBB Master
Will they work on Rd tires? no wheel removal would be great although most who run tubeless seldom flat. I'm still scared of flatting on vendetta.
 

BrianA

Active Member
I purchased a Dynaplug Micro Pro kit to use with my tubeless tyres. While I haven't had to use it yet there is a video online of a road bike tyre being repaired using the kit.
 

Don1

Guru
the pro's are starting to leave tubulars... martin won the world TT on clinchers.... clinchers have lower rolling resistance, are faster all round. The only place where tubs are faster are in short sprints since they will accelerate a tiny bit quicker. I remember when I had tubs and they sounded great and were quick but punctured all the time and a pain to try and patch em... to compare I have had one puncture in 16k of riding on clinchers (Maxxis 700c x 25 relix)
 

Gary123

Zen MBB Master
Great info I've learned a lot today, going tubeless as soon as possible. I just completed 200 mi. ( It only took a month)much improved but I'm getting there. still dfing in group rides and doing 20 milers once or twice a wk on vendetta. Had 2 setbacks ,first was a flat on front followed by immediate crash. Second was being stopped on a back Rd by a truck driver who blocked the road and almost attacked me screaming that I wasn't allowed on the road if I couldn't travel speed limit. Yes I was flying my american flag. But I had a great ride today and that's what it's all about.
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
The 2 best things about tubulars:
You will never get a pinch flat because of the rim design, and
You can change a flat in no time: You yank off the tire, and just stretch a new one over the rim.

Plus 1 other thing for track riding: You can pump them up to 200psi and have a lower rolling resistance.

I've got a nice set of Rolf that I have ridden on on the Vendetta. Every bit as much as fast any other tire/rim combo in my fleet - plus they probably look cooler than most anything else! :)
 

DavidCH

In thought; expanding the paradigm of traversity
World TT was won on a specialized turbo cotton.... Wait for it ... Clincher. Not sure about the tube he used but probably latex.

Everyone has their own opinion. If it feels good... Go for it.

Interesting stuff about tubulars on this forum. Don't think I will be getting tubulars. More pro's are going tubeless.
 
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