Vendetta on rollers instead of a trainer?
- Thread starter Eric Winn
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Hi Eric,
Take a look at this
Hi Eric,
Take a look at this link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grCf0GLOShM&feature=channel&list=UL
No Vendetta but a video of an upright, rear wheel drive recumbent and then a Silvio on rollers.
Cheers
Neil
Take a look at this
Hi Eric,
Take a look at this link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grCf0GLOShM&feature=channel&list=UL
No Vendetta but a video of an upright, rear wheel drive recumbent and then a Silvio on rollers.
Cheers
Neil
Eric Winn
Zen MBB Master
That is a nice swing roller design
Thanks Neil,
I actually appreciate your find more for the state-of-the-art update for swing rollers. The last time I checked them out they were much less refined and a lot more expensive and pretty much forgot about them until you reminded me.
The Silvio appears at frame 3:38. I suspect the swing roller makes it easier for any type of bike to be used on them compared to the traditional non-swing roller. And perhaps a Cruzbike even more so. Although I am surprised there doesn't seem to be any marks on the wall in front of him from either the crankset or pedals as he is pretty darn close.
I seldom pop off my rollers except when I make a change in cadence that is too abrupt - or start dozing off... grin .. Having a swing roller should certainly mitigate a lot of those issues and the quality of the bearings look much better for this thing than mine based on what I see in the video from when he stops pedalling.
Here is the home page for the Tacx Galaxia used in the video. This thing looks pretty sweet - I will need to research replacing my cheapo set of rollers with one of these and/or see what else is out there now. Outside winter bicycle riding in Michigan is not very appealing so I use my rollers a lot during the winter.
I had looked at some of the DIY examples to modify existing rollers like here: http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Free-Motion-Cycling-Rollers/ but I like the design of this Tacx Galaxia.
I also wonder if using rollers helps with climbing since they do help you improve your balance and learn to pedal more smoothly.
-Eric
Thanks Neil,
I actually appreciate your find more for the state-of-the-art update for swing rollers. The last time I checked them out they were much less refined and a lot more expensive and pretty much forgot about them until you reminded me.
The Silvio appears at frame 3:38. I suspect the swing roller makes it easier for any type of bike to be used on them compared to the traditional non-swing roller. And perhaps a Cruzbike even more so. Although I am surprised there doesn't seem to be any marks on the wall in front of him from either the crankset or pedals as he is pretty darn close.
I seldom pop off my rollers except when I make a change in cadence that is too abrupt - or start dozing off... grin .. Having a swing roller should certainly mitigate a lot of those issues and the quality of the bearings look much better for this thing than mine based on what I see in the video from when he stops pedalling.
Here is the home page for the Tacx Galaxia used in the video. This thing looks pretty sweet - I will need to research replacing my cheapo set of rollers with one of these and/or see what else is out there now. Outside winter bicycle riding in Michigan is not very appealing so I use my rollers a lot during the winter.
I had looked at some of the DIY examples to modify existing rollers like here: http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Free-Motion-Cycling-Rollers/ but I like the design of this Tacx Galaxia.
I also wonder if using rollers helps with climbing since they do help you improve your balance and learn to pedal more smoothly.
-Eric
John Dorlon
Guru
That's encouraging. I have
That's encouraging. I have a Silvio and when I tried it on my rollers there was a lot of back and forth rocking, and I went off the rollers a lot (usually sliding back so the front wheel was in between the roller wheels). I could do it, but it required a lot of concentration.
I have this kind of rollers:
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1028825_-1___400134
I'll have to give it another try. I noticed in the video that he's riding the rollers 'backwards'. I couldn't decide if I liked backwards or forwards better. I also noticed that he has his rollers adjusted so that the Silvio's back wheel is riding directly on top of the roller wheel. That may have been part of my problem. When I rode my old wedgie bike on rollers, the bike's wheel was slightly behind the center of the roller's wheel, so I tried to adjust it the same way for the Silvio.
That's encouraging. I have a Silvio and when I tried it on my rollers there was a lot of back and forth rocking, and I went off the rollers a lot (usually sliding back so the front wheel was in between the roller wheels). I could do it, but it required a lot of concentration.
I have this kind of rollers:
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1028825_-1___400134
I'll have to give it another try. I noticed in the video that he's riding the rollers 'backwards'. I couldn't decide if I liked backwards or forwards better. I also noticed that he has his rollers adjusted so that the Silvio's back wheel is riding directly on top of the roller wheel. That may have been part of my problem. When I rode my old wedgie bike on rollers, the bike's wheel was slightly behind the center of the roller's wheel, so I tried to adjust it the same way for the Silvio.
Eric Winn
Zen MBB Master
I strongly suspect the swing
I strongly suspect the swing roller feature will make it easier to ride a CruzBike as opposed to a regular set of rollers but I can't really articulate well why I think so.
I found the Tacx Galaxia on Amazon for $299: http://www.amazon.com/Tacx-Galaxia-Roller/dp/B005YX5P4Y
Might be better deals elswhere. The other swing roller I had read about was the E-Motion Rollers here: http://www.insideride.com/ but these are about 2x the cost of the Tacx ones.
-Eric
I strongly suspect the swing roller feature will make it easier to ride a CruzBike as opposed to a regular set of rollers but I can't really articulate well why I think so.
I found the Tacx Galaxia on Amazon for $299: http://www.amazon.com/Tacx-Galaxia-Roller/dp/B005YX5P4Y
Might be better deals elswhere. The other swing roller I had read about was the E-Motion Rollers here: http://www.insideride.com/ but these are about 2x the cost of the Tacx ones.
-Eric
psychling
Well-Known Member
LeMond Revolution
Having lived in Chicago all my life (before moving to AZ last year) I had two very serious barriers to all season training: urban congestion and cold, snowy, icey streets and weather. There was no possibility of me being able to integrate a `tight' training regimen into my life given these two barriers.
I purchased a CompuTrainer in 1996 and used it consistently for 15 years, upgrading `stingely' only when necessary. And I put the CT to dang good use.
As the years passed I was increasingly frustrated with tires going flat and the amount of rubber and compound that would wear off the tire onto the resistance generator and the surrounding floor.
About 18 months ago I purchased the LeMond Revolution. And I sold the CompuTrainer.
I have my Sofrider set up on the LeMond Revolution and it gives me an always reliable and available workout experience. Something worth looking into.
Having lived in Chicago all my life (before moving to AZ last year) I had two very serious barriers to all season training: urban congestion and cold, snowy, icey streets and weather. There was no possibility of me being able to integrate a `tight' training regimen into my life given these two barriers.
I purchased a CompuTrainer in 1996 and used it consistently for 15 years, upgrading `stingely' only when necessary. And I put the CT to dang good use.
As the years passed I was increasingly frustrated with tires going flat and the amount of rubber and compound that would wear off the tire onto the resistance generator and the surrounding floor.
About 18 months ago I purchased the LeMond Revolution. And I sold the CompuTrainer.
I have my Sofrider set up on the LeMond Revolution and it gives me an always reliable and available workout experience. Something worth looking into.
Eric Winn
Zen MBB Master
Wahoo Fitness KICKR trainer
Thanks Dan, good info. While researching the Lemond I ran across the Wahoo Fitness KICKR ANT+ / Bluetooth trainer. It is a Bluetooth 4.0 and ANT+ enabled trainer with an integrated power meter. I think I'll keep an eye on this one...
DC Rainmaker review excerpt (the entire review, see the first link below, is well written and very informative with a lot more info than this excerpt):
The unit has a maximum advertised resistance of 2,000 watts. The unit was engineered such that a 175 pound rider (at max resistance) would feel as though they were riding up a 15% grade. Due to the flywheel aspect, the unit really does feel like you're riding on a road - very similar to how the LeMond Revolution feels like you're actually 'coasting' when you stop pedaling.
Now technically they note that there's no real limitation on resistance levels or measurement. Rather, it's a function of speed. For example, if you're going a pedestrian 4MPH the limitation if 600w, but at 8MPH the limitation is 1,200 watts, and at 16MPH, the limitation of 2,400 watts, and so on. Of course, if you can output that much power. The curve is linear.
The electronically controlled change in resistance upon command is instant. Meaning that if the software removes resistance - it can go from that 15% incline to coasting down a hill instantly. This is different from most trainers tend to take a few seconds or more to release the resistance - so this is ideal for those doing intervals.
The KICKR updates the power resistance on the trainer electrically every .25 seconds - meaning that if you waver in power - it'll respond in less than a quarter second and adjust accordingly.
Due to the ability to provide resistance - the unit will require being plugged in. But the charge is minimal enough that a 12V cigarette lighter will work (so you can do workouts near your car ahead of a race). They are also considering adding a battery pack if there's demand for it.
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/08/first-look-at-wahoo-fitness-kickr.html
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/09/wahoo-fitness-announces-kickr-trainer.html
-Eric
Thanks Dan, good info. While researching the Lemond I ran across the Wahoo Fitness KICKR ANT+ / Bluetooth trainer. It is a Bluetooth 4.0 and ANT+ enabled trainer with an integrated power meter. I think I'll keep an eye on this one...
DC Rainmaker review excerpt (the entire review, see the first link below, is well written and very informative with a lot more info than this excerpt):
The unit has a maximum advertised resistance of 2,000 watts. The unit was engineered such that a 175 pound rider (at max resistance) would feel as though they were riding up a 15% grade. Due to the flywheel aspect, the unit really does feel like you're riding on a road - very similar to how the LeMond Revolution feels like you're actually 'coasting' when you stop pedaling.
Now technically they note that there's no real limitation on resistance levels or measurement. Rather, it's a function of speed. For example, if you're going a pedestrian 4MPH the limitation if 600w, but at 8MPH the limitation is 1,200 watts, and at 16MPH, the limitation of 2,400 watts, and so on. Of course, if you can output that much power. The curve is linear.
The electronically controlled change in resistance upon command is instant. Meaning that if the software removes resistance - it can go from that 15% incline to coasting down a hill instantly. This is different from most trainers tend to take a few seconds or more to release the resistance - so this is ideal for those doing intervals.
The KICKR updates the power resistance on the trainer electrically every .25 seconds - meaning that if you waver in power - it'll respond in less than a quarter second and adjust accordingly.
Due to the ability to provide resistance - the unit will require being plugged in. But the charge is minimal enough that a 12V cigarette lighter will work (so you can do workouts near your car ahead of a race). They are also considering adding a battery pack if there's demand for it.
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/08/first-look-at-wahoo-fitness-kickr.html
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/09/wahoo-fitness-announces-kickr-trainer.html
-Eric
Eric Winn
Zen MBB Master
How about a $699 stageONE crank-based power meter?
It looks like I could add one of these stageONE power meters to the crank I've ordered along with my Vendetta. Combined with the Wahoo Fitness KICKR, I would be able to compare and monitor between live rides and trainer riding.
DC Rainmaker review:
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/09/stageone-699-ant-bluetooth-smart-crank.html
And another review on bikeradar:
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/stages-cycling-stageone-power-meter-interbike-2012-35270/
-Eric
It looks like I could add one of these stageONE power meters to the crank I've ordered along with my Vendetta. Combined with the Wahoo Fitness KICKR, I would be able to compare and monitor between live rides and trainer riding.
DC Rainmaker review:
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2012/09/stageone-699-ant-bluetooth-smart-crank.html
And another review on bikeradar:
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/stages-cycling-stageone-power-meter-interbike-2012-35270/
-Eric
Eric Winn
Zen MBB Master
StageONE fitment on Vendetta or Silvio?
John,
Will the StageONE power meter fit on the Vendetta? Silvio?
Here is their fitment guidance:
http://www.stagescycling.com/support-compatibility
-Eric
John,
Will the StageONE power meter fit on the Vendetta? Silvio?
Here is their fitment guidance:
http://www.stagescycling.com/support-compatibility
-Eric
John Tolhurst
Zen MBB Master
Yep!
Eric,
There will be no interference between the StageOne power meter unit on the inside of the left crank and the Vendetta chainstay. Seems like a smart way to go.
Eric,
There will be no interference between the StageOne power meter unit on the inside of the left crank and the Vendetta chainstay. Seems like a smart way to go.
SportCrafters - Progressive Resistance Drum
Hi Eric,
Just noticed that no mention had yet been made of SportCrafters, which came out with a progressive resistance roller earlier this year using internal magnets! (sportcrafters.com)
I became aware of the company while perusing a 2006 issue of "Recumbent Cyclist News"; coincidentally, Bryan Ball recently gave it a great review in the context of their "mini-roller": http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=7813
Owner Pete Colan is very approachable and I'm certain he would be a great source of information/solutions.
On a side note: I'm planning to visit friends in Ann Arbor between Christmas and New Year's and noticed that you're not far away. Would love to see the Q2 if you'll be around?
Cheerio, Bill
Hi Eric,
Just noticed that no mention had yet been made of SportCrafters, which came out with a progressive resistance roller earlier this year using internal magnets! (sportcrafters.com)
I became aware of the company while perusing a 2006 issue of "Recumbent Cyclist News"; coincidentally, Bryan Ball recently gave it a great review in the context of their "mini-roller": http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=7813
Owner Pete Colan is very approachable and I'm certain he would be a great source of information/solutions.
On a side note: I'm planning to visit friends in Ann Arbor between Christmas and New Year's and noticed that you're not far away. Would love to see the Q2 if you'll be around?
Cheerio, Bill
Eric Winn
Zen MBB Master
Based on a few tries on my
Based on a few tries on my low cost Minoura rollers with the Q, if I stick with rollers for a Cruzbike I would probably get one of the swing rollers like the Tacx Galaxia and I suspect the curved or parabolic rollers would be better than flat rollers.
I'm very interested in the Wahoo KICKR trainer which will work with my Vendetta when I get it but won't work with the Quest. The KICKR isn't scheduled for release until sometime in January so I'm either going to be doing cold weather riding when it is at least somewhat dry and/or I'm going to have to learn to ride a Cruzbike on my rollers or ride my DF on them. Going back to riding my DF after getting significant time on a Cruzbike is NOT appealing!
You're welcome to come see the Q or V, depending on which one I have when you are in Michigan. Send me a PM with your contact info and we can discuss offline.
-Eric
Based on a few tries on my low cost Minoura rollers with the Q, if I stick with rollers for a Cruzbike I would probably get one of the swing rollers like the Tacx Galaxia and I suspect the curved or parabolic rollers would be better than flat rollers.
I'm very interested in the Wahoo KICKR trainer which will work with my Vendetta when I get it but won't work with the Quest. The KICKR isn't scheduled for release until sometime in January so I'm either going to be doing cold weather riding when it is at least somewhat dry and/or I'm going to have to learn to ride a Cruzbike on my rollers or ride my DF on them. Going back to riding my DF after getting significant time on a Cruzbike is NOT appealing!
You're welcome to come see the Q or V, depending on which one I have when you are in Michigan. Send me a PM with your contact info and we can discuss offline.
-Eric
As a (prospective) new
As a (prospective) new Cruzbiker, I would be at least as interested in "taming" steering input during the winter months as in training per se , so that I'd literally be able to hit the road running - in a straight line - this spring!
So I'm more of a candidate for a pretty conventional set of rollers (along with a Quest !); and thought readers might like to hear what Pete at SportCrafters had to say about the YouTube video posted near the beginning of the thread:
"The rider looks pretty stable ... perhaps even more stable on the recumbent than on the upright. The big advantage to the Galaxia (and e-motion) is the ability to stomp with reckless abandon as this rider does for a short while. If you don't intend to do that, then you don't need the floating feature.
With your smaller rear wheel [20" on my RANS Rocket] I'd feel more comfortable if we gave you an extra set of holes where you can, at your discretion, close up the rear cradle to lessen the tire pinch. We'd build it with knobs on all six drum ends so you can quickly change the wheelbase and/or cradle width as you see fit.
The fork stand may also be of value to you. Especially with the progressive drum you'd have a nice stationary trainer."
My thinking would be to start out with the fork stand and abandon it once I'm comfortable with balance (steering); could also use the roller in non-progressive mode initially; and then eventually (as you mentioned earlier) build a swing-platform if need be.
Does this seem reasonable - or has the swing feature really proven more important with Cruzbikes?
Thanks for this discussion and any insights (and receptivity to a meet up Eric - will PM you soon in that regard).
Best regards, Bill
As a (prospective) new Cruzbiker, I would be at least as interested in "taming" steering input during the winter months as in training per se , so that I'd literally be able to hit the road running - in a straight line - this spring!
So I'm more of a candidate for a pretty conventional set of rollers (along with a Quest !); and thought readers might like to hear what Pete at SportCrafters had to say about the YouTube video posted near the beginning of the thread:
"The rider looks pretty stable ... perhaps even more stable on the recumbent than on the upright. The big advantage to the Galaxia (and e-motion) is the ability to stomp with reckless abandon as this rider does for a short while. If you don't intend to do that, then you don't need the floating feature.
With your smaller rear wheel [20" on my RANS Rocket] I'd feel more comfortable if we gave you an extra set of holes where you can, at your discretion, close up the rear cradle to lessen the tire pinch. We'd build it with knobs on all six drum ends so you can quickly change the wheelbase and/or cradle width as you see fit.
The fork stand may also be of value to you. Especially with the progressive drum you'd have a nice stationary trainer."
My thinking would be to start out with the fork stand and abandon it once I'm comfortable with balance (steering); could also use the roller in non-progressive mode initially; and then eventually (as you mentioned earlier) build a swing-platform if need be.
Does this seem reasonable - or has the swing feature really proven more important with Cruzbikes?
Thanks for this discussion and any insights (and receptivity to a meet up Eric - will PM you soon in that regard).
Best regards, Bill
Charles.Plager
Recumbent Quant
Hi Bill,
I've never done
Hi Bill,
I've never done this, so weight this answer as you will...
I'm not convinced that any trainer/rollers with the Cruzbike are really going to help you get the steering. Rollers (which I've never used) might help a little bit in that you probably have to not turn the steering too much for risk of falling off, but I would expect that to be limited.
Given that, I would think that it makes the most sense to buy what is affordable. (I've been wrong before. It happened just a couple months ago... ).
Cheers,
Charles
I've never done
Hi Bill,
I've never done this, so weight this answer as you will...
I'm not convinced that any trainer/rollers with the Cruzbike are really going to help you get the steering. Rollers (which I've never used) might help a little bit in that you probably have to not turn the steering too much for risk of falling off, but I would expect that to be limited.
Given that, I would think that it makes the most sense to buy what is affordable. (I've been wrong before. It happened just a couple months ago...
). Cheers,
Charles
Eric Winn
Zen MBB Master
Hi Charles,
If you let me
Hi Charles,
If you let me video record it, I'll come visit and bring my rollers for you to try
Rollers are kind of like Cruzbikes. To a certain extent you have to learn how to ride all over again. In my opinion, using a fork adapter just converts rollers into a trainer...
When you first ride on rollers with a DF there is a tendency to steer off to the side because the feel is different and you tend to overreact when you first try to make minor steering corrections. Parabolic or curved rollers can help make this part a bit easier.
After you learn the basic control, you tend to get jarred off when you then try and stand in the saddle to sprint (or make similar charging kind of movements while still in the saddle).
With regular rollers there isn't much you can do about the abrupt movement problem except to damp your effort or just don't ride like that. A swing roller allows the more energetic movement with fewer roller departures.
A Cruzbike feels harder to get started on regular flat rollers to me - but I think it can be done even though I've popped off more with the Q than when I first learned using a DF.
After thinking about it some, I also think having done a lot of riding on rollers and a 12" wheel Mobiky helped to make my own transition to the Cruzbike easier.
Another aspect of rollers is tire pressure makes a dramatic difference in how a bike rides on them - even more so than on the road, etc. Try riding rollers sometime with low tire pressure - feels kind of like riding through tar or soft sand.
-Eric
If you let me
Hi Charles,
If you let me video record it, I'll come visit and bring my rollers for you to try
Rollers are kind of like Cruzbikes. To a certain extent you have to learn how to ride all over again. In my opinion, using a fork adapter just converts rollers into a trainer...
When you first ride on rollers with a DF there is a tendency to steer off to the side because the feel is different and you tend to overreact when you first try to make minor steering corrections. Parabolic or curved rollers can help make this part a bit easier.
After you learn the basic control, you tend to get jarred off when you then try and stand in the saddle to sprint (or make similar charging kind of movements while still in the saddle).
With regular rollers there isn't much you can do about the abrupt movement problem except to damp your effort or just don't ride like that. A swing roller allows the more energetic movement with fewer roller departures.
A Cruzbike feels harder to get started on regular flat rollers to me - but I think it can be done even though I've popped off more with the Q than when I first learned using a DF.
After thinking about it some, I also think having done a lot of riding on rollers and a 12" wheel Mobiky helped to make my own transition to the Cruzbike easier.
Another aspect of rollers is tire pressure makes a dramatic difference in how a bike rides on them - even more so than on the road, etc. Try riding rollers sometime with low tire pressure - feels kind of like riding through tar or soft sand.
-Eric
Eric Winn
Zen MBB Master
Fork stand adapter for rollers
Bill,
The fork stand adapter won't work for a Cruzbike on rollers because the front wheel is the drive wheel so if you remove it and mount the forks to the fork adapter you won't have the wheel to turn the rollers.
Additionally, the Quest's dual drive, non-quick release front end further complicates things.
It might be possible to mount the fork adapter to a Cruzbike's rear dropouts which should allow the front drive wheel to roll on the rollers but then you have the fixed rear fixed to the rollers but still with a moveable front. I envision a twisted Cruzbike, rollers, fork adapter, rider - or a combination of all of the above.
-Eric
Bill,
The fork stand adapter won't work for a Cruzbike on rollers because the front wheel is the drive wheel so if you remove it and mount the forks to the fork adapter you won't have the wheel to turn the rollers.
Additionally, the Quest's dual drive, non-quick release front end further complicates things.
It might be possible to mount the fork adapter to a Cruzbike's rear dropouts which should allow the front drive wheel to roll on the rollers but then you have the fixed rear fixed to the rollers but still with a moveable front. I envision a twisted Cruzbike, rollers, fork adapter, rider - or a combination of all of the above.
-Eric
Charles.Plager
Recumbent Quant
Hi Eric,
First, I accept your
Hi Eric,
First, I accept your offer (as long as you'll drive me to the doctor when I fall off and ride into the wall)!
Second, given how quickly you did get up and proficient on a MBB means I can't (or at least, shouldn't) just dismiss your ideas (not that I would anyway).
I've posited that knowing how to ride a unicycle helped me on the Cruzbike (and, for the record, I'm only about 80% serious when I say this). Basically, knowing how to make small corrections instead of large ones makes a big difference. From the description of the trainer work you did, I think I'd put that in a similar category.
I'm still not convinced that riding a Cruzbike on rollers is going to teach your body too much. It might help teach it that small corrections are better than big ones, but since there is no real steering, I'm still not convinced it will help once out on the actual road.
O.k. Let's go out and find 20 random people. We'll start half of them on a Cruzbike on rollers...
So I'm still not convinced (but maybe I could be...?),
Charles
First, I accept your
Hi Eric,
First, I accept your offer (as long as you'll drive me to the doctor when I fall off and ride into the wall)!
Second, given how quickly you did get up and proficient on a MBB means I can't (or at least, shouldn't) just dismiss your ideas (not that I would anyway).
I've posited that knowing how to ride a unicycle helped me on the Cruzbike (and, for the record, I'm only about 80% serious when I say this). Basically, knowing how to make small corrections instead of large ones makes a big difference. From the description of the trainer work you did, I think I'd put that in a similar category.
I'm still not convinced that riding a Cruzbike on rollers is going to teach your body too much. It might help teach it that small corrections are better than big ones, but since there is no real steering, I'm still not convinced it will help once out on the actual road.
O.k. Let's go out and find 20 random people. We'll start half of them on a Cruzbike on rollers...
So I'm still not convinced (but maybe I could be...?),
Charles
Thanks gentlemen – stay tuned…
Appreciate the comments and insights - despite the fact that I'm no longer certain of my approach !
I can see how one might not get a feel for steering, since staying on the rollers means one has to really tread the straight and narrow - so perhaps what I'm really wondering is if one could get a sense for non(intentional)steering?
Presuming the front wheel is held at least relatively straight, wouldn't a fork stand on the rear dropout be enough to stabilize the novice [the Quest dropout is a standard dimension, right?]
Or would it be preferable for the head tube to be held in place by some type of device when first getting a feel for the rollers?
I'll contact Pete at SportCrafters for his input and report back.
Imagine further field reports may be forthcoming as well
Appreciate the comments and insights - despite the fact that I'm no longer certain of my approach !
I can see how one might not get a feel for steering, since staying on the rollers means one has to really tread the straight and narrow - so perhaps what I'm really wondering is if one could get a sense for non(intentional)steering?
Presuming the front wheel is held at least relatively straight, wouldn't a fork stand on the rear dropout be enough to stabilize the novice [the Quest dropout is a standard dimension, right?]
Or would it be preferable for the head tube to be held in place by some type of device when first getting a feel for the rollers?
I'll contact Pete at SportCrafters for his input and report back.
Imagine further field reports may be forthcoming as well
