And so it begins...
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ratz
Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
Well well
Well alright; that's looking mighty good. But something big and yellow is missing.
But that's a lot of red and black. Do I smell a custom powder coat?
I see mountain elite jagwire kit, a rival brake set; disc brakes carbon drops and a lot of other goodies.
Which drop bars did you go with?
Well alright; that's looking mighty good. But something big and yellow is missing.
But that's a lot of red and black. Do I smell a custom powder coat?
I see mountain elite jagwire kit, a rival brake set; disc brakes carbon drops and a lot of other goodies.
Which drop bars did you go with?
BentAero
Well-Known Member
The same ones Ivan used on
The same ones Ivan used on his Silvio.
FWIW, I wasn't about to give my credit card to some unknown outfit in China, so I bought a prepaid Paypal Mastercard for $4.95, then put $51.00 on it. That way my worst exposure was losing $56. Aliexpress is akin to Amazon; zillions of products sold by thousands of companies. The bars I bought were from hexinyi Co., Ltd.
I was getting a little nervous, but the bars showed up in about two weeks. They look and feel very nice, and are very lightweight.
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6099852545.html
The same ones Ivan used on his Silvio.
FWIW, I wasn't about to give my credit card to some unknown outfit in China, so I bought a prepaid Paypal Mastercard for $4.95, then put $51.00 on it. That way my worst exposure was losing $56. Aliexpress is akin to Amazon; zillions of products sold by thousands of companies. The bars I bought were from hexinyi Co., Ltd.
I was getting a little nervous, but the bars showed up in about two weeks. They look and feel very nice, and are very lightweight.
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6099852545.html
steveshort
New Member
Could the powdercoating heat
Could the powdercoating heat treatment done anything to the frame? Is the standard finish painted or powdercoated? Did you do any test fitting before the powdercoating?
One more thought- did you use the 10sp spacer? Some carriers don't need it. I am not familar with yours though.
It looks great though!
Could the powdercoating heat treatment done anything to the frame? Is the standard finish painted or powdercoated? Did you do any test fitting before the powdercoating?
One more thought- did you use the 10sp spacer? Some carriers don't need it. I am not familar with yours though.
It looks great though!
This is a case where
This is a case where Cruzbike's strategy of selling the frame sans components is a fail. Tinkerers love to play with their bikes. The average person not so much. As a consumer, I want my bike to "just work" right out of the box. I want to be confident that the manufacturer has selected and tested components that "just work". None of this buying parts separately. I think this strategy turns off a lot of potential buyers.
This is a case where Cruzbike's strategy of selling the frame sans components is a fail. Tinkerers love to play with their bikes. The average person not so much. As a consumer, I want my bike to "just work" right out of the box. I want to be confident that the manufacturer has selected and tested components that "just work". None of this buying parts separately. I think this strategy turns off a lot of potential buyers.
Rick Youngblood
CarbonCraft Master
Brilliant color, I bet in
Brilliant color, I bet in person it's stunning!? Nice build!!
Brilliant color, I bet in person it's stunning!? Nice build!!
ratz
Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
What Steve Said....
It looks like in the photo of the rear wheel you have a gap between the spokes and the largest ring of the cassette. Pull the cassette and see if there is a spacer ring between the spoke side and the cassette. If there is; that is the problem. The spacer can usually be installed in two different positions: (A) next to the spokes, (B) in your desk drawer. It's meant to be used for fine tuning alignment; for short reach derailluers.
Mine is installed in location (B)
It looks like in the photo of the rear wheel you have a gap between the spokes and the largest ring of the cassette. Pull the cassette and see if there is a spacer ring between the spoke side and the cassette. If there is; that is the problem. The spacer can usually be installed in two different positions: (A) next to the spokes, (B) in your desk drawer. It's meant to be used for fine tuning alignment; for short reach derailluers.
Mine is installed in location (B)
Doug Burton
Zen MBB Master
What diameter is your rear disc?
Intended diameter is 140mm...
The color is gorgeous... especially set off with red...
Intended diameter is 140mm...
The color is gorgeous... especially set off with red...
ratz
Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
One more thing to check
The other thing that occurs to me; is the powder coating inside the dropouts might not be even; if that is so your wheel could pitched at a very slight angle causing the rotor to be tipped towards the frame. That going to be a pain to determine; but you should be able to figure it out using two levels... Although I would probably just gently file off the powercoat inside the dropouts to expose the base metal being darn careful not to take any of the metal.
If you want to test before filing; install the wheel at a slight angle so the rotor clears. Then put it in your stand; get the bike level; then check the angle on the rotor vertically with level. If I'm correct the power coat in the left dropout is too thick.
Btw love the color. Where are you getting logo replacements from?
The other thing that occurs to me; is the powder coating inside the dropouts might not be even; if that is so your wheel could pitched at a very slight angle causing the rotor to be tipped towards the frame. That going to be a pain to determine; but you should be able to figure it out using two levels... Although I would probably just gently file off the powercoat inside the dropouts to expose the base metal being darn careful not to take any of the metal.
If you want to test before filing; install the wheel at a slight angle so the rotor clears. Then put it in your stand; get the bike level; then check the angle on the rotor vertically with level. If I'm correct the power coat in the left dropout is too thick.
Btw love the color. Where are you getting logo replacements from?
ratz
Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
If that's a 140...
If that's a 140 Disc; then before filing the frame or adding a spacer; I would try a a disc with a separate spider that you can invert
Something like the avid HSX. On these the spider can be installed inside or outside the rotor. That will pick up a far bit of mm offset and probably give you the clearance you need.
Example: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/avid-hsx-rotor-2014/rp-prod67571
I've seen MTBers install the disc on the Inside of the hub mount; you have to ask you manufacturer if they are rated for that type of install before you could bet your braking on it.
If that's a 140 Disc; then before filing the frame or adding a spacer; I would try a a disc with a separate spider that you can invert
Something like the avid HSX. On these the spider can be installed inside or outside the rotor. That will pick up a far bit of mm offset and probably give you the clearance you need.
Example: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/avid-hsx-rotor-2014/rp-prod67571
I've seen MTBers install the disc on the Inside of the hub mount; you have to ask you manufacturer if they are rated for that type of install before you could bet your braking on it.
BentAero
Well-Known Member
All of the powder had to come
All of the powder had to come off in the drop outs to even begin to get the wheel in place. Even a touch of aluminum. The hub measured .020" larger than the dropout opening when I began. It was a long slow process to find out the rotor touched. I'll try the alignment thing as frames are rarely perfect to design.
All of the powder had to come off in the drop outs to even begin to get the wheel in place. Even a touch of aluminum. The hub measured .020" larger than the dropout opening when I began. It was a long slow process to find out the rotor touched. I'll try the alignment thing as frames are rarely perfect to design.
Andrew 1973
Zen MBB Master
Watching this thread
I have been watching this thread and it's an interesting one. First of all, I like the color; but I think that "Vendetta Yellow" looks faster. I am looking forward to seeing the graphics that are planned. I assume there is no intent to embed them in a clear coat, since the build is progressing.
Secondly, what would be the reason for alignment issues with the wheel, cogset and brake rotor? I have been fortunate enough to tinker with a Vendetta or two and I never noticed these issues. Are there enough differences in hubs that clearance is compromised with certain brands?
Thirdly, KungFuGuy states:
This is a case where Cruzbike's strategy of selling the frame sans components is a fail. Tinkerers love to play with their bikes. The average person not so much. As a consumer, I want my bike to "just work" right out of the box. I want to be confident that the manufacturer has selected and tested components that "just work". None of this buying parts separately. I think this strategy turns off a lot of potential buyers.
I disagree that Cruzbike's strategy is a fail. The idea of taking all the components from a road bike and fitting them to a Cruzbike frame was a big part of the marketing for the Silvio and it has followed through with the Vendetta. There will always be certain components which will work better than others on certain frames, and not every one can be feasibly tested. For instance, I tried to install an Ultegra rear caliper on a Silvio 2.x frame, and the shape did not allow adequate cable housing clearance. A similarly shaped Tiagra brake was substituted and it fit perfectly.
Cruzbike Silvio and Vendetta buyers are the type who may not want an "off the peg bicycle", they want to build a bike to their liking and we have seen enough iterations of builds to appreciate the differences that each owner applies to his or her bike.
Do I think it would be great if there was a factory-built ready-to-ride Vendetta? Absolutely! I like to tinker with bikes, but I'd love to have one ready to roll right out of the crate. Even with entry-level components, the bike would still be a dream bike to me.
I have been watching this thread and it's an interesting one. First of all, I like the color; but I think that "Vendetta Yellow" looks faster. I am looking forward to seeing the graphics that are planned. I assume there is no intent to embed them in a clear coat, since the build is progressing.
Secondly, what would be the reason for alignment issues with the wheel, cogset and brake rotor? I have been fortunate enough to tinker with a Vendetta or two and I never noticed these issues. Are there enough differences in hubs that clearance is compromised with certain brands?
Thirdly, KungFuGuy states:
This is a case where Cruzbike's strategy of selling the frame sans components is a fail. Tinkerers love to play with their bikes. The average person not so much. As a consumer, I want my bike to "just work" right out of the box. I want to be confident that the manufacturer has selected and tested components that "just work". None of this buying parts separately. I think this strategy turns off a lot of potential buyers.
I disagree that Cruzbike's strategy is a fail. The idea of taking all the components from a road bike and fitting them to a Cruzbike frame was a big part of the marketing for the Silvio and it has followed through with the Vendetta. There will always be certain components which will work better than others on certain frames, and not every one can be feasibly tested. For instance, I tried to install an Ultegra rear caliper on a Silvio 2.x frame, and the shape did not allow adequate cable housing clearance. A similarly shaped Tiagra brake was substituted and it fit perfectly.
Cruzbike Silvio and Vendetta buyers are the type who may not want an "off the peg bicycle", they want to build a bike to their liking and we have seen enough iterations of builds to appreciate the differences that each owner applies to his or her bike.
Do I think it would be great if there was a factory-built ready-to-ride Vendetta? Absolutely! I like to tinker with bikes, but I'd love to have one ready to roll right out of the crate. Even with entry-level components, the bike would still be a dream bike to me.
John Tolhurst
Zen MBB Master
I think the fail criticism
I think the fail criticism has some merit. We do want to be able to satisfy those who simply want the bike delivered ready to ride and who are less fussed about component nuances. For those people we need to include a priority build shop arrangement, where there is someone to complete the assembly and give that personal attention.
I think the fail criticism has some merit. We do want to be able to satisfy those who simply want the bike delivered ready to ride and who are less fussed about component nuances. For those people we need to include a priority build shop arrangement, where there is someone to complete the assembly and give that personal attention.
Always-Learnin
Vendetta Love
I think the fail criticism has some merit.
Mr. Tolhurst,
Thank you for entertaining this idea... I am one of those guys who 1) does not have the expertise, 2) does not have the tools required, and 3) does not have the time to tinker with my bike. I wish I did, but life has a way of getting in the way.
I'd love to see a completed bike offering and hope that this will be a possibility in the very near future. When it comes to fruition, I will certainly be on board. In fact, if you had that option now, and it was within my price range, I'd make a purchase now.
Here's hoping for good things for you, the company, and for us!
Blessings...
Mr. Tolhurst,
Thank you for entertaining this idea... I am one of those guys who 1) does not have the expertise, 2) does not have the tools required, and 3) does not have the time to tinker with my bike. I wish I did, but life has a way of getting in the way.
I'd love to see a completed bike offering and hope that this will be a possibility in the very near future. When it comes to fruition, I will certainly be on board. In fact, if you had that option now, and it was within my price range, I'd make a purchase now.
Here's hoping for good things for you, the company, and for us!
Blessings...
