Cheapish rear shock comparison. Kind air shock dual V DNM 22 coil

jond

Zen MBB Master
Dear Princess Jond, what type of mattress(s) do you sleep on?
Your roads must be REALLY rough!
Have you tried lowering the tyre pressures in 5 psi steps to the recommended by Jan Heine, until pinch flats occur?
http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/200903_PSIRX_Heine.pdf

Why yes my handsome slim slime sublime erudite ever helpful super prince I run front 35 and rear 40 psi. 40 mm 406 schwalbe marathons.

I actually ride my bikes. Not possible in sweaty liquefied asphalt red dusted south Australia .

Have you forgotten my mattress already you comely coy princely
wench.

Deuce.
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
That was a great Volley!

We hit a record 46.5 C (116 F) last week, so I DEFINITELY was not riding on those days!
But we are NOT being flooded out like Nth Queensland, or major fires in Victoria and Tasmania!
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
Australia is a mad place. Murray-Darling has dried up and what about Drownsville?

DR(T)ownsville in North Qld is in the middle of its biggest flood since 1930, but the rain is north of the Darling River catchment, so South Australia will miss out on the water, IF it can get past the Qld Cotton and Rice Farms at Dirranbandi!
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
That was a great Volley!

We hit a record 46.5 C (116 F) last week, so I DEFINITELY was not riding on those days!
But we are NOT being flooded out like Nth Queensland, or major fires in Victoria and Tasmania!

Meanwhile in port Stephens nsw it’s perfectly lovely apart from the local roads.

I thought about turning on the air conditioning but no need. My electrical bill was $90 last quarter.

Global worming climate change in action. Polar vortex mid west America.

Sad to see tour down under so affected by South Australia s lousy furnace weather.

Blue swimmer crabs and flathead for tea tonight. Again.

Not so mad part of Australia. Lol.
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
Meanwhile in port Stephens nsw it’s perfectly lovely apart from the local roads.

I thought about turning on the air conditioning but no need. My electrical bill was $90 last quarter.

Global worming climate change in action. Polar vortex mid west America.

Sad to see tour down under so affected by South Australia s lousy furnace weather.

Blue swimmer crabs and flathead for tea tonight. Again.

Not so mad part of Australia. Lol.
The TDU with hottish weather is at the start of the Pro season, to toughen up the cyclist after an off season at -25C or -52C if in USA!
Newcastle NSW is due for another major earthquake, OR flood, so I hope your house does not have a tiled roof, and does have a wooden frame to ride out a quake!!!!!

You must have a good Fish & Chip shop close to home!!
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
Lol slim. Paradise will let you in. Or you can come to port Stephens for a holiday.

We can visit my personal fish shop. Bring a fishing rod.

In the mean time it’s suck down radioactive dust for you.

Yes toughening up Pro cyclists is not the same as killing them. Or shortening the race because the asphalt is melting.

Guess that event will soon move too along with the ever dwindling population of the hottest parched dry red bare radioactive dusty sewer toilet in Australia

40/15 set point.
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
Lol slim. Paradise will let you in. Or you can come to port Stephens for a holiday.

We can visit my personal fish shop. Bring a fishing rod.

In the mean time it’s suck down radioactive dust for you.

Yes toughening up Pro cyclists is not the same as killing them. Or shortening the race because the asphalt is melting.

Guess that event will soon move too along with the ever dwindling population of the hottest parched dry red bare radioactive dusty sewer toilet in Australia

40/15 set point.
I AM in paradise NOW!!!
I don't need to travel 1,500 km to visit a cove, VERY close to a coal loading port, with its cancerous Black Coal dust emissions all the time!!!!

The radioactive dust is only at Roxby Downs 600 km north, so safe in Adelaide!
I worked there for two years and I don't glow in the dark, or have grown an extra head!!!

No PRO rider fell off their bike unconscious, and bounce along the road, due to heat exhaustion, so it was not too tough!!!!

Mike Turtur, who created the idea of the TDU, and was the first and only Tour Director since 1999, will retire after the 2020 TDU (22 years!) and I hope his replacement is half as good as he is!
The TDU has a contract with UCI for the next 5 years!
Willunga Hill climb, that Richie Port (Tasmanian), so it does actually export something good!!!, has won 5 times in a row, looked and sounded like a Tour De France Alpe D'Huez Stage, with the HUGE crowds, flags, LOTS of noise etc!!!

When was the last time Newcastle, has run a sports event with as many people and as big a world media coverage???????

30/40
 
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billyk

Guru
See people retrofitting kind air shock so thought I’d do a comparison even though my suspended bent is a challenge hurricane with a 165 mm 6.5 “ eye to eye fork. Warning opinion to follow. ...

I only have experience with the stock Q spring shocks (Q2, now Q45) and the Kind A5 RR1 which is far better. I will hold up Seattle potholes against anything you have down there, and on my daily commute route I have come to know them (too) well. Bad spots that I would instinctively tighten up approaching I now sail across. Maybe there are better shocks per @jond ; I can't speak to that but the Kind shock's difference in comfort and reduced wear and tear on the rider is huge.

But maybe the biggest advantage is the stiffness it gives to the frame. The spring shock allows just a bit of twist that eats your effort. I'm noticeably faster on both bikes since switching to the air shocks, especially uphill, and I haven't gotten any younger. It makes me feel one with the bike instead of fighting a flexy thing when pushing hard.

BK

PS - The A5 RR1 directions say, in bold caps, "The negative pressure must not exceed the main pressure". Maybe that's part of the problem? I weigh 175lb; after some experimenting I set my pressures at 150psi for the main and 125psi for the negative. I never see the o-ring much past 50% of the possible travel, even going over curbs.
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
I only have experience with the stock Q spring shocks (Q2, now Q45) and the Kind A5 RR1 which is far better. I will hold up Seattle potholes against anything you have down there, and on my daily commute route I have come to know them (too) well. Bad spots that I would instinctively tighten up approaching I now sail across. Maybe there are better shocks per @jond ; I can't speak to that but the Kind shock's difference in comfort and reduced wear and tear on the rider is huge.

But maybe the biggest advantage is the stiffness it gives to the frame. The spring shock allows just a bit of twist that eats your effort. I'm noticeably faster on both bikes since switching to the air shocks, especially uphill, and I haven't gotten any younger. It makes me feel one with the bike instead of fighting a flexy thing when pushing hard.

BK

PS - The A5 RR1 directions say, in bold caps, "The negative pressure must not exceed the main pressure". Maybe that's part of the problem? I weigh 175lb; after some experimenting I set my pressures at 150psi for the main and 125psi for the negative. I never see the o-ring much past 50% of the possible travel, even going over curbs.
The softrider (160mm) and the quest (125 mm) are spring units only, so no hydraulic shock absorber.

The improvements with a single chamber air spring on my softrider was amazing, and I never again got the back wheel kicked two feet??? off the ground, after going over a depressed manhole cover at 70 Kph

Jond is comparing the dual chamber air spring to a spring + hydraulic shocker absorber, AND you have to allow for him being a NSW Princess!!!!!!!
 

billyk

Guru
AND you have to allow for him being a NSW Princess!!!!!!!

I'm not going to get into these arguments. I used to live in Tasmania (terrible roads for biking, narrow and no shoulder at all, lots of blind curves). But it was striking how Tasmanians would refer disdainfully to "North Islanders", who returned the favor by equally disdainfully announcing that they saw no reason at all to ever go there, that it might be pretty in spots but people there were obviously losers who couldn't make it in Sydney or Melbourne.

Don't get me started on Texans ...
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
I disagree that tasmania roads are in poor condition as 10 years ago I ride around it on a trike with 3 20" ×1.3" tyres, so 1/2" rear deraielur clearance to the road.
Theverges and the bitumen road edge were both perfect.
The West Coast is hilly and windy but the best riding for me was from Queenstown to Lake St Clair!!!!!!
 

billyk

Guru
I disagree that tasmania roads are in poor condition as 10 years ago I ride around it on a trike with 3 20" ×1.3" tyres, so 1/2" rear deraielur clearance to the road.
Theverges and the bitumen road edge were both perfect.
The West Coast is hilly and windy but the best riding for me was from Queenstown to Lake St Clair!!!!!!
Huh! This was in 2001-2, and I was in Hobart. It wasn't the pavement but the narrowness and lack of shoulders. The east coast roads are so beautiful : Hobart-Frejinet, Port Arthur, down to Cygnet, etc. But no shoulders at that time past the airport, and lots of hills, so slow riding. The only saving grace was little traffic. Maybe it's improved since then.
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
I only have experience with the stock Q spring shocks (Q2, now Q45) and the Kind A5 RR1 which is far better. I will hold up Seattle potholes against anything you have down there, and on my daily commute route I have come to know them (too) well. Bad spots that I would instinctively tighten up approaching I now sail across. Maybe there are better shocks per @jond ; I can't speak to that but the Kind shock's difference in comfort and reduced wear and tear on the rider is huge.

But maybe the biggest advantage is the stiffness it gives to the frame. The spring shock allows just a bit of twist that eats your effort. I'm noticeably faster on both bikes since switching to the air shocks, especially uphill, and I haven't gotten any younger. It makes me feel one with the bike instead of fighting a flexy thing when pushing hard.

BK

PS - The A5 RR1 directions say, in bold caps, "The negative pressure must not exceed the main pressure". Maybe that's part of the problem? I weigh 175lb; after some experimenting I set my pressures at 150psi for the main and 125psi for the negative. I never see the o-ring much past 50% of the possible travel, even going over curbs.

Hi billyk

Mate I have corrected my typo error thanks. Must proof read lol.

My main exceeds negative by 10. I’m 81 kg so forgive me but to achieve greater travel range possibly lower your pressures and work with 30% sag minimum. It’s only a short travel shock with only 40mm available .

I’m running 80 and 70 kPa. Or rather I was as the DNM is back on.

Don’t mind slim and I. We are just enjoying each other’s Aussie bantering parochialism. Straylya is a great place even south Australia is not without its beautiful serene charms.

For example super slim David is a wonderful south Aussie fossilised resource of information.

Alas he is getting on in years now and does not leave the self imposed confines of his hot box very much. Confused machinations ruminate through what’s left of his desiccated dehydrated mind ever more frequently.Clearly he has no grasp on geography access to a map my actual English birth place or his equanimity. It’s the red dust see it gets into all crevices nooks and crannies.

Tasmania is glorious and I’ve ridden there extensively. Only one straight road from Hobart to Launceston.

We don’t do sidings on roads well here due to our small population and vast expanses of open country.

You can keep Seattle weather right there. .......though the music that emanated from there has been a godsend.

I imagine your potholes are mini swimming pools. Where as my roads are partly moonscape partly acne. Then there are nice stretches. But my view is beyond superlatives.

Check out port Stephens nsw Australia it really is so unspoilt and beautiful. Just asked my local koalas and they agreed.

Of particular note is the annual weather in port Stephens nsw. Never falling below 8 deg c or over 32 c summer and winter. I don’t use any heating or cooling in my home.

I feed my family three nights per week on fish and crabs I catch 100 m from my home.

South Aussie fly blown road kill is not the same despite it being so incredibly cruelly hot it cooks itself ripe.

My last electricity bill for two adults in a four bedroom two living area home was $90 for spring quarter.

Reckon slims was at least $450. 750 over summer.

Game set match. Vote with your feet everyone else is.
 
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jond

Zen MBB Master
The softrider (160mm) and the quest (125 mm) are spring units only, so no hydraulic shock absorber.

The improvements with a single chamber air spring on my softrider was amazing, and I never again got the back wheel kicked two feet??? off the ground, after going over a depressed manhole cover at 70 Kph

Jond is comparing the dual chamber air spring to a spring + hydraulic shocker absorber, AND you have to allow for him being a NSW Princess!!!!!!!

I’d be a depressed manhole cover if you rode over me too . Nsw princess hah who voted for don dunstan.deuce

Here it’s 38 deg c tomorrow’s forecast in sweaty Adelaide. Advantage me.
 
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Daniel Cote

New Member
Hey guys, new to this forum :D I appreciate your input to this subject i'm pretty green to it, but i read up some of your convo about the shocks and online the basic differences between springs, air, oil or the combination of both (Rock Shox, Fox and the like... (which i find too expensive) I ride a Q45 since last summer and it's been doing fine specially down in South Florida where i stay in winter because it's so flat here. However, I spend my summers up in Quebec where there's load of hills and trails so when I go touring i need a stiffer shock then what the bike came with that can handle more weight. From what I can gather I should upgrade to the Kind Shock KS A5-RR1 Dual Air Rear Shock 165x40mm for my bike? Please let me know your thoughts i want to purchase asap. Thanks!
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
Hey guys, new to this forum :D I appreciate your input to this subject i'm pretty green to it, but i read up some of your convo about the shocks and online the basic differences between springs, air, oil or the combination of both (Rock Shox, Fox and the like... (which i find too expensive) I ride a Q45 since last summer and it's been doing fine specially down in South Florida where i stay in winter because it's so flat here. However, I spend my summers up in Quebec where there's load of hills and trails so when I go touring i need a stiffer shock then what the bike came with that can handle more weight. From what I can gather I should upgrade to the Kind Shock KS A5-RR1 Dual Air Rear Shock 165x40mm for my bike? Please let me know your thoughts i want to purchase asap. Thanks!

Daniel I hold still to my review. even after the second unit was purchased.please note the review was in relation to a different bike to yours.

However for the price the kind shock is a very light stiff unit and would likely meet your needs. I note kind shocks have released more expensive units in the interim.
 

Daniel Cote

New Member
Daniel I hold still to my review. even after the second unit was purchased.please note the review was in relation to a different bike to yours.

However for the price the kind shock is a very light stiff unit and would likely meet your needs. I note kind shocks have released more expensive units in the interim.
cool thanks for the tip! On your bike the bumps must be intense on your whole body as leaned back as it is :O
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
cool thanks for the tip! On your bike the bumps must be intense on your whole body as leaned back as it is :O

Well I’ve got the challenge hurricane leant back as far as possible but there is still a lot of weight on my backside. The vendetta at 20 degrees has it nailed for even pressure from posterior to neck and with 28mm tyres at 70 Kpa is almost as comfy as the challenge.

Yes my moonscaped roads give a difficult intense ride. But both bikes are comfier than my catrike 700 trike. I have to watch my lines at speed as both bikes get airborne.......

I dream of fully suspended velo mobile........quatrovelo or df xl..........expensive........delicate flowers.

I’m probably better off with a Q or s40 with big tyres.
 
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