Cheapish rear shock comparison. Kind air shock dual V DNM 22 coil

billyk

billyk

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Welcome, Daniel.

See my reply to @jond re the kind shock. Yes, light and stiff. You will appreciate both!

Just wait till you undo the stock shock and feel the weight! And then don't wait, ride the new shock up a hill or accelerating hard, and feel how it stiffens up the bike. You'll be amazed remembering how you rode the stock one adding wiggle and flex at every power stroke.

You probably don't even need a shock pump, since these guys hold air for months and 1000s of miles. Just use the one at your LBS occasionally.

Buy one! They're cheap, too.
 
Daniel Cote

Daniel Cote

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billyk said:
Welcome, Daniel.

See my reply to @jond re the kind shock. Yes, light and stiff. You will appreciate both!

Just wait till you undo the stock shock and feel the weight! And then don't wait, ride the new shock up a hill or accelerating hard, and feel how it stiffens up the bike. You'll be amazed remembering how you rode the stock one adding wiggle and flex at every power stroke.

You probably don't even need a shock pump, since these guys hold air for months and 1000s of miles. Just use the one at your LBS occasionally.

Buy one! They're cheap, too.
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thanks Billyk, yes i read that one as i originally discovered this thread, I decided to go with the KS A5 RR1 165 40, i'm sure it's gonna be a big improvement either way as well as more power in each stroke once the pogo effect is gone (that one was weirding me out) and would make my riding buddies laugh as they saw me bobbing as i went uphill in wood trails lol. One other big factor for me tho was that when i put extra touring weight on the bike it would sometimes completely bottom out while going uphill (even as stiff as i could adjust it). I'm a big guy so I realize i'm topping the scale limit for the bike already but i'm just hoping it's going to be stiff enough for the saddlebags with the camping gear.
 
Daniel Cote

Daniel Cote

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Super Slim, thanks that looks like a great option! I wish i would have seen that before getting the other one yesterday, it's a great price for those options based on the similar ones i've seen from the other well known brands. If the other one doesn't do the trick i will try that one for sure! Or i might order both and only keep the best one lol, I'll keep you updated with the results :D
 
jond

jond

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super slim said:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DNM-Mountain-Bike-Air-Rear-Shock-With-Lockout-165x35mm-/151297638878

What about this one with a suspension lock out, AND a rebound speed adjuster!
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I ordered from cycling deal that same trail air shock. Thinking it may be more compliant than the kind AR shock. It has rebound and a lockout too.

Should arrive late April and I’ll test it on the hurricane. It has same travel as DNM coil over but is lighter. I’ll amend and add to this review .

Certainly the kind shock is stiff and very light Daniel and it will do the job. Just don’t count on compliance especially off beaten track. Let us know how you go.
 
Daniel Cote

Daniel Cote

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jond said:
I ordered from cycling deal that same trail air shock. Thinking it may be more compliant than the kind AR shock. It has rebound and a lockout too.

Should arrive late April and I’ll test it on the hurricane. It has same travel as DNM coil over but is lighter. I’ll amend and add to this review .

Certainly the kind shock is stiff and very light Daniel and it will do the job. Just don’t count on compliance especially off beaten track. Let us know how you go.
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Will do thanks! You as well :D
 
Daniel Cote

Daniel Cote

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jond said:
I ordered from cycling deal that same trail air shock. Thinking it may be more compliant than the kind AR shock. It has rebound and a lockout too.

Should arrive late April and I’ll test it on the hurricane. It has same travel as DNM coil over but is lighter. I’ll amend and add to this review .

Certainly the kind shock is stiff and very light Daniel and it will do the job. Just don’t count on compliance especially off beaten track. Let us know how you go.
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sorry for not knowing but what does compliance refer to?
 
Giloun

Giloun

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Daniel Cote said:
Super Slim, thanks that looks like a great option! I wish i would have seen that before getting the other one yesterday, it's a great price for those options based on the similar ones i've seen from the other well known brands. If the other one doesn't do the trick i will try that one for sure! Or i might order both and only keep the best one lol, I'll keep you updated with the results :D
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I'm using the Kind air shock dual since the first day of my Q45. It has been a year and I'm very satisfied with it. You mentioned heavy loading for tour. I recently took the Q45 for a tour and the heavy weight did make the wheel touch the bag which is hanging behind the seat when going uphill. I have to tie the bag higher up the seat to avoid this. Maybe I should have put in more pressure.
 
super slim

super slim

Zen MBB Master
Giloun said:
I'm using the Kind air shock dual since the first day of my Q45. It has been a year and I'm very satisfied with it. You mentioned heavy loading for tour. I recently took the Q45 for a tour and the heavy weight did make the wheel touch the bag which is hanging behind the seat when going uphill. I have to tie the bag higher up the seat to avoid this. Maybe I should have put in more pressure.
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More air!!
That's the beauty of air, being able to increase the spring rate with the amount of preload, to give the same displacement over a 50 mm bump with a greater load!
 
jond

jond

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Okay I purchased a DNM aoy36rc air shock two months ago and fitted to hurricane. It’s performance is great and I paid just over $100. It’s as responsive as the boat anchor heavy coil over DNM shock . Real suspension with a lockout and rebound adjust.
the kind shock though slightly lighter than the DNM is useless in comparison. Did I buy two dud kind ar shocks ????? Both kind shocks moved no more than 10 mm of their travel irrespective of air pressure set up.See pics for oring movement. In summary the best cheap shock here by a big big margin . Based on cost operation adjustability practicality when fitted to my challenge hurricane.8D68F5E2-FC2A-4B94-9334-FE6C326FFDA7.jpeg142DB2D2-7B5C-40E3-9E35-2FBEDB94849D.jpeg 142DB2D2-7B5C-40E3-9E35-2FBEDB94849D.jpeg
 
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super slim

super slim

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jond said:
Okay I purchased a DNM aoy36rc air shock two months ago and fitted to hurricane. It’s performance is great and I paid just over $100. It’s as responsive as the boat anchor heavy coil over DNM shock . Real suspension with a lockout and rebound adjust.
the kind shock though slightly lighter than the DNM is useless in comparison. Did I buy two dud kind ar shocks. Both kind shocks moved no more than 10 mm of their travel irrespective of air pressure set up.See pics for oring movement. In summary the best cheap shock here by a big big margin . Based on cost operation adjustability practicality when fitted to my challenge hurricane.View attachment 7977View attachment 7978 View attachment 7978
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It's good to hear that you are finally floating on air, over those last century NSW roads!

What was the weight difference between the steel spring shocker and the Air spring?
 
jond

jond

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super slim said:
It's good to hear that you are finally floating on air, over those last century NSW roads!

What was the weight difference between the steel spring shocker and the Air spring?
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Hi David
Kind shock .24 kg DNM coil over .44kg and the DNM air I didn’t weigh but it’s between the two. Yes it’s performance is similar to a high end mtn bike rear shock set correctly. Most impressed that it uses 30 mm of travel and does not bottom out. I would ride off the gutter with this shock though not willingly

The big thing is performance and Low price. See how it copes with time. Reviews are mostly positive.
 
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billyk

billyk

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I ride off a curb/kerb/gutter every day on my commute with the Kind shock, no problem. Travels about 22mm, with a fair amount of overshoot/rebound ... I should probably pump up the negative chamber.

I don't have a scale big enough to weigh the original Q45 spring shock, but it clunked right to the bottom of a 1lb (454g) cooking scale. A brick.
 
benphyr

benphyr

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I finally did my swap for my QX100 from the stock coil spring shock to the AR5. The stock shock was not functioning properly. I could not increase/decrease tension on the spring and it had a gap in motion from fully extended down close to 1 cm on the shock travel that it there was no tension before the spring resisted. This meant that every time the spring was unloaded (pothole, drop, end of bump) the rear of the bike would flutter and clunk like a car with bushings missing. So it was time to replace it and investigate what the cause of the problem is with the stock shock.

The weight difference between the 261 and the AR5 is significant.

I just set the pressures at the lowest recommended 100 psi Main and 65 psi negative chamber pressures. The ride was much more responsive. It felt much more like my conversion kit which has no suspension when pedalling and on smooth pavement, but when I got to bumps and transitions between sidewalk and road and trail it did absorbed a large part of the bump and did it in a predictable way - not bouncy just like the bump, dip, or whatever was smaller than before (Since when do potholes get smaller!). There may very well be better replacement parts out there however I am very pleased with my current change - it is repair which also turns out to be an upgrade.
 
jond

jond

Zen MBB Master
Reading Bens and Billy’s posts seems to confirm that the kind shock despite 40 mm travel seems to use only 2/3 of this on big hits and on standard hits only around 1/3 . As you can see from the photos of the kind shock o ring it’s travel on the 40 klm ride preceding it being replaced was only around 10 mm. Of course we are talking different bikes here and suspension actuation points and geometry plus user weight vary.

The DNM shocks however are both much plusher in ride and meet my requirements for a soft ride. If I take the DNM air off at some stage I’ll weigh it.
 
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benphyr

benphyr

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@jond

The new Q45 has a full-size 165mm shock so 40mm travel.

I have the QX100 and the shock is a 125mm so only 20mm travel. I took a ride last night after doing the switch. It was my normal commute so I knew what to expect and when I got back the o-ring indicated 14mm of the 20mm total travel. The bumps included rough transitions from road to sidewalk that I would consider quite tough and would not want to bottom out on. Is 2/3rds travel good? That is where I don't know. I did not drop off any curbs however which would be pushing the maximum I would want to subject this shock and my bike to. It is not my mountain bike.

I weigh approximately 135lbs + 33 lbs of bike. I had the shock set at 100psi main and 65psi negative pressure which are the minimum recommended pressures.
 
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benphyr

benphyr

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Notes to those changing the shock and/or adjusting the pivot on the QX100 (not sure if this applies to Quests or Q45):

-When tightened down hard the bolts pinch the shock/pivot slightly giving a little friction to them so they do not move completely freely. It is very little and doesn't seem noticeable when riding, it also means that when you fold the bike you are not fighting with a completely freely swinging aluminum baseball bat - err rear swing arm. It may be slightly less stiff than when I received this QX100 used 2 years ago with two full seasons commuting on it. I guess it may work as a very slight friction based damper.

-The bottom bolt for the shock is in from the right side of the bike, the sleeve goes in from the left. This can make it easier to remove/install.

-You may need two 5mm Allen (hex) keys (unless you can take one out without the other slipping).

-To help get the sleeve out you can: 1) lift the seat up so that there is no weight holding onto the sleeve, then 2) screw the bolt in some and push on that with your allen key to get it started moving - that will help prevent damage to the threads.
 
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