Handlebar Options v20c

cruzKurt

Guru
I might need to add more pictures, but I am having issues with my legs brushing against my handlebars occasionally near the shifters. I have an extended chainstay and that might be contributing to the issue. I measured the handlebars and as far as I can tell they are pretty wide already.

I recently rotated the handlebars to make my hand position more aero. I like the position of my hands now, but the bars are just not wide enough. Maybe I could bend them out a bit.


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Jeffers

Performer Low Racer
You may be able to do it with 2x4 spacers and a scissors jack.
We're only talking just a few millimeters right?
Remove the bars and take a measurement before you start so you know how far to go.
Take your time with it. It looks doable.
 

chicorider

Zen MBB Master
I tried to take a pic from a similar angle. The bars I use (Genetic Digest flared drop bar--weird name, nice bar) flare a little more outward at the bend, while the Cruzbike stock bar seems to either point straight ahead, or even turn a bit inward at the bend. A more outward bend allows you to set the shifters more in line with the bar bend and the grip area (the "drops"), instead of having to cant them outward at an odd angle for leg clearance, which can then make using the shifters a little cumbersome.

At 5'3", I'm a smaller rider, and I don't have leg clearance issues, so I can get away with the 44cm width of these bars. But they also come in a wider 48cm size, which could be good for you. The tips of my shifter hoods are 14.25 inches (36.2cm) apart. The 48cm bars would add two more centimeters to each side.

If you try to spread your bars apart, work slowly. Many aluminum bars are cold forged, which makes the aluminum stronger so that less metal is needed and weight can be kept down. But cold forging also makes the metal more brittle and less pliable. I once tried to change the bend of a pair of cold forged bars, and it didn't take much force before the bars snapped in two with a wondrously loud "pop!"V20c Bars.jpeg
 

Henri

scatter brain
I can't imagine, that bending handle bars can be a good idea. Even ignoring any worries about weakening them, you wouldn't get them straight, would you?

I really like the Surly Corner Bar / Corner Stop. (Chinese carbon clones are available.)
Hand position is very neutral, it's available comparatively wide, I can use grips and separate levers instead of tape and brifters (mix and match components as I like, nice.) But its stated drop, that is reach on a V20, is a bit small. I'll want to get my knees away a bit more (by using smaller cranks)
 

Black Hawk Down

Senior Rookie
Some time ago, I tried to order a 2019 S40 handlebar to be used on my 2016 V20 as I liked the larger width of the S40. They didn't have any in stock but Robert pointed me to the Salsa Woodchipper 2 bar as it was the same as the S40 but 1 cm more narrow. Their widest bar is 46 cm. I don't know what the V20C width is and it may already be the same as the S40. The older V20 bars were quite a bit narrower. I've been using the woodchipper bar on my V20 and I'm quite happy with it.

 

Karl42

Well-Known Member
You have way more nerve than I have. I would just look for wider bars. On my V20c I have a 3T Aeroghiaia in the widest width (44cm) and only occasionally hit my thumbs with my thighs.
I have a 44cm Enve Aero In-Route on my V20. It’s comfortable and fast. Available up to 46cm.
Hi @Mathew Fy,
Could you please post some pictures of your current handlebars on your V20c and V20 from the side, so that we can see the orientation of the bars and the hand position?

I'm currently researching new handlebars, and found that many of the older threads about this here refer to models that are no longer available. Also, aero bars made for roadbikes might not work optimally when rotated up such that the flat section is angled, right?
Ideally I would use a round bar that can be rotated in any way, or a flat aero bar that has a drop angle that is close to 90 degree, so that the bar can be used in the original orientation and the hands would be in a neutral position (close to holding a pole that is vertical). I'm still looking for something like that.
 

Robert Holler

Administrator
Staff member
Some time ago, I tried to order a 2019 S40 handlebar to be used on my 2016 V20 as I liked the larger width of the S40. They didn't have any in stock but Robert pointed me to the Salsa Woodchipper 2 bar as it was the same as the S40 but 1 cm more narrow. Their widest bar is 46 cm. I don't know what the V20C width is and it may already be the same as the S40. The older V20 bars were quite a bit narrower. I've been using the woodchipper bar on my V20 and I'm quite happy with it.

Indeed - the stock S40 and V20C bar is a wider version (2cm wider) of the Salsa Woodchipper 2. Any road bar with a 31.8 clamp area will work. There are a million bars through so it is impossible for us to even rationalize stocking any.

The stock bar is very wide - probably too wide - for most people.... but "back in the day" one of the challenges we had was "too narrow" of bars and riders having a harder time learning/fitting the bike properly. Hence the uber wide custom Salsa bar...
 
please post some pictures
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Top photo the camera is in front of the headrest. The attitude of the wing is a little high, as in an airplane taking off. This angle is because I use the drops as a wrist rest when the hand is fully forward. Rotating the bar further down pushes the drops into my arms. Optional positions are thumb & fingers on hoods with straight arms and hands loose on the drops.
 

Karl42

Well-Known Member
Top photo the camera is in front of the headrest. The attitude of the wing is a little high, as in an airplane taking off. This angle is because I use the drops as a wrist rest when the hand is fully forward. Rotating the bar further down pushes the drops into my arms. Optional positions are thumb & fingers on hoods with straight arms and hands loose on the drops.
It seems to me that with the drops angled like this, you can't really pull on the bar much, right? So this is mainly for resting your hands?
Your older Enve Aero bar looks like it has drops that are more vertical. How do you find the two bars in comparison?
 

M.J

Well-Known Member
I used to use a bullhorn bar (basically a TT bike base bar) turned upside down. I would ride holding the hoods with my wrists resting on the forward facing part of the bar. This let me use a narrower bar (40 or 42cm, I can't remember) than would have been possible with drop bars.
 

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Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
Your setup looks pretty good there MJ. I tried a bullhorn bar also. I had Dura Ace TT bar end shifters and some ugly and heavy steel clamp on brake levers. My whole setup was way more complicated, heavy, uncomfortable and an eye sore compared with yours. Not only was my shifting uncomfortable, but mine was likely not very aero.
 
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Karl42

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Sadly many of the older recommended handlebars on this forum for the V20 (and therefore V20c also) are no longer available. While I'm considering getting a V20c, I'm still researching which components I would need to buy to replicate or improve my current fit on the V20.

On the V20 I have the Ritchey Evo Max 42cm. This has a 12 degree outward flare, and with that, the drop width is 48cm. With handlebar tape, the inner width at the hand position is 42.5cm. With that, I can just about go straight without my legs touching my thumb. I wouldn't mind an extra cm of clearance, and I absolutely would not want to have less clearance.

Also, I would prefer to have a bit more drop, so that I can get more leg clearance without reducing the arm extension. With this, I mean that my legs easily hit the handlebar when the pedal is the most backward position, closest to the handlebar. So I have to move the bar closer to my body, and to compensate for this, I would like the drop to be long so that the arms can be as straight as possible.

This makes it pretty hard to find a perfect fit without ordering tons of bars and measuring them at home. I would take the Evo Max again, but it is out of production. Also, since I will rotate the bar so that it doesn't have the intended orientation, getting a round bar would be preferable over an aero shape.
Also, the models with a large drop usually have very little outward flare, which means the drop width is too narrow for enough leg clearance. And the gravel bars with a lot of flare are wider than necessary and therefore less aero. This means for me the 12 degree outward flare seems perfect, but this limits the choice of models quite a bit, especially since I want the drop to be as large as possible.


The models from MOST Jaguar seem quite promising for me, but are very expensive, and hard to get in Europe.

The Whisky 6F and 12F models also seem worth a look. Does anyone here know what their drop width is?

The Bontrager GR Elite Road would probably fit quite well, but are only 6066 alu and heavy (better models are 7050 alu or carbon).

For materials, the general choices seem to be 6061 aluminum with a weight of around 320-350 g for a handlebar, 7050 alu with a weight of around 270 g, and carbon fiber with a weight of around 200 g (and three to four times the price).


Here are some contenders with the specs I could find (not guaranteed to be correct):
HandlebarDrop (mm)Reach (mm)Flare (°)Weight (g)Material
Thomson Road Round14772?
Ritchey WCS Logic II144821
Ritchey Superlogic Evocurve130802
MOST Jaguar Ultra Gravel1307812199 gcarbon fiber
Thomson Off-road Handlebars13010525
Ritchey WCS Ergomax1287312270 g7050 alu
ZIPP Service Course SL 70128704260 g7050 alu
Bontrager GR Elite Road1287513322 g6066 alu
Easton EC90 AX1258016
MOST Jaguar Ultra Gr Ticr1258012299 g
FSA Advendure Compact1257812
ZIPP SL-80125804
Whisky 6F No. 7 / No. 9125676
Ritchey WCS Evo Max1207312
Pro Discover 121156512
Whisky 12F No. 7 / No. 91156812
ZIPP Gravel Service Course SL-70 XPLR1157016280 g
Salsa Woodchipper1145625357 g6061 alu
Salsa Woodchipper Deluxe1145625329 g7050 al
Salsa Woodchipper Carbon 2.01145625carbon fiber
Specialized Roval Terra1037012
Ritchey Superlogic Venturemax1027624
 
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M.J

Well-Known Member
Why the past tense? What do you have now?
I sold my V20 back in '22 when I decided that I was done racing for a while and wanted to get a gravel upright. I've done most of my riding for the past 18 months on various uprights.
For recumbents, I still have a Metabikes Mystique and a homebuilt MBB that is on loan from Rob Lloyd.
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