Locking up

[JusticeZero]

I have a conversion kit on it's way, and i'm trying to work out an issue beforehand..
What is the best way to lock a Cruzbike up? I remember the Sheldon method (compact U-lock through the drivewheel inside the rear triangle), but I don't know how adequately that works when the drivewheel is the FRONT triangle.

 

[JonB]

I was planning to use 2 locks on my bike. On locking the rear wheel, another locking the front wheel. One of those will possibly be a big wire lock so i can attach the bike to something. Not that i expect it to get stolen, but if people want a bike, and it is harder to steal mine than to steal the neighbours, they will take the neighbours.
I was hoping to mount the extra lock on the backside of the seat.

 

[JonB]

i have 3.5 locks on my cruzbike, and 2.5 on the old bike.

I have 2 frame locks on my cruzbike. One in the back on the underside of the brake. The other framelock is in the front just behind the crank.

The back framelock is a stupid defective defender RL from basta axa. It is stupid because i need the key to lock it, and i need to hands to lock it. Suppose i am out riding and the key fell out of my pocket. Now i cant lock my bike. Really stupid design. But it was the only frame lock i found at 5 bike shops that could mount there. The position needs a key that sticks out to the side of the lock, and i cant screw it to the frame, i needed to use some metalic cable strip like things.

The front framelock is axa basta click lock. This one does not need the key to lock. However the key does stick out to the front of the lock, meaning it needs alot of space or else it has to go into the frame. At first i mounted this lock in the back, but i had to wriggle it to unlock it, so i looked for another.

I was through 5 bike shops, 2 of them which saw my bike, but neither had anything satisfactory. And this axa basta defender RL has that key flaw. I'll probably start looking for more locks, because i surely want a better solution.

Then i have a U lock on the bike, and the .5 lock is a cheap cable lock that locks the cruzbike with my old bike.

On the old bike i have another axa basta click lock, and that cable lock.


I have been thinking about getting a Abus bordo folding lock, because it does not rattle like a u lock does. But Abus Bordo is not approved by my insurance company, and it takes more time to put on than my frame locks.

 

[kling]

I use a U-lock and a extension cable at work. The U-lock through the front wheel with the extension cable looped through the back wheel and through the underseat gap (which is what JT recommends to use on the Silvio as everything else can be taken apart).

In light of your Abus experience, I had a look at their website

They have a bracket called the UGH 02 Carrier Holder which can mount a U-lock onto a rack (hopefully rattle-less)
http://www.abus.de/us/main.asp?ScreenLang=us&sid=4708063011427280304200820359137142&select=0104b08&artikel=4003318266249

Might get one of those to carry a U-lock (don't like carrying it in the pannier bag).

or maybe go the whole hog and get a Steel-O-Flex Granit X-Plus 1050
http://www.abus.de/us/main.asp?ScreenLang=us&select=0104b03&ArtikelGrID=3
then can put this through the underseat gap and lock it to a pole, and use the cable extension for the wheels.

cheers
Kendrick

 

[JonB]

i dont like ulocks because they rattle when i drive arround with them.

 

[Mark B]

I think it sucks to have to lock a bicycle up to start with. I mean, come on... :roll: It's a pretty sad state of affairs in these modern times when you have to protect a simple bicycle in such a manner. I hate locks, period. They weigh a ton and while I'm not a weight weenie by any stretch of the imagination, I hate carrying around crap like that for the silly reason it is necessary. Therefore, I usually will not ride to a place where it's necessary to lock my bicycle. I would much rather watch it and should some fool attempt to ride off on my Cruzbike, laugh my a$$ off at his inability while I kick the living crap out of his worthless hide.

I feel better,now.

Mark

 

[JonB]

Mark B wrote: I think it sucks to have to lock a bicycle up to start with. I mean, come on... :roll: It's a pretty sad state of affairs in these modern times when you have to protect a simple bicycle in such a manner. I hate locks, period. They weigh a ton and while I'm not a weight weenie by any stretch of the imagination, I hate carrying around crap like that for the silly reason it is necessary. Therefore, I usually will not ride to a place where it's necessary to lock my bicycle. I would much rather watch it and should some fool attempt to ride off on my Cruzbike, laugh my a$$ off at his inability while I kick the living crap out of his worthless hide.

So i take it you are not interested in bike(locking) porn?

I live in the City, so i have to lock it.

 

[Mark B]

JonB wrote:
So i take it you are not interested in bike(locking) porn?

I can look past the goofy lock to admire the beauty of a bicycle, if need be. I just prefer my bikes nekkid! :lol: :lol:

JonB wrote: I live in the City, so i have to lock it.

Well, I live in a city, too. Maybe not as large as yours, maybe a little more suburban than citified, but we have tweekers and other opportunists here, as well. I just won't ride my bike somewhere I have to leave it out of my eyesight.

 

[JonB]

Mark B wrote:

JonB wrote: I live in the City, so i have to lock it.

Well, I live in a city, too. Maybe not as large as yours, maybe a little more suburban than citified, but we have tweekers and other opportunists here, as well. I just won't ride my bike somewhere I have to leave it out of my eyesight.

i live on the 4 floor and work on the 5 (in different buildings). I drive the bike between the 2 locations. In both locations i can not watch my bike, so i want locks.

 

[John Tolhurst]

JonB wrote:
i live on the 4 floor and work on the 5 (in different buildings). I drive the bike between the 2 locations. In both locations i can not watch my bike, so i want locks.

If you leave your bike in the same place night after night and in another place day after day you definitely need proper decent locks. Pity there is not a friendly neighbour with a garage you could use.

 

[Hotdog]

JonB wrote: i dont like ulocks because they rattle when i drive arround with them.

Rattle? They shouldn't do, at least not if they come with a decent frame mount. I've got a big, heavy duty Abus U-lock (D-lock to some) which came with a very versatile frame mount that can attach to all size and shape frame tubes, it makes carrying the lock easy (and quiet!) on almost any bike. I don't need the lock very often these days and don't carry it unless I need to (it weighs at least 1.5kg), but the frame mount works well on the left chainstay of my recumbent. Great locks, Abus, by the way.

 

[Kamatu]

Mark B wrote: I think it sucks to have to lock a bicycle up to start with. I mean, come on... :roll: It's a pretty sad state of affairs in these modern times when you have to protect a simple bicycle in such a manner.

I was having to lock up bikes (or hide them in the backyard) before I was 10, so that puts it over 35 years ago living in small city in a good neighborhood. Of course it got a bit better a few years later when three of us got together and ran off a crowd that was roaming the streets at night... :twisted:

Yeah, it stinks, but my grandparents used to tell me stories about stuff that happened when they were young. Rapes, child abuse, killings, etc. There just wasn't any national media needing to fill a 24/7 live feed schedule.

 

[kling]

JonB, if you ride between the same two locations, perhaps you could get two locks and leave them locked to the racks there.

Otherwise, we could commision a "Silvio Taser" to fit in the underseat gap...
http://www.spyworld.net/AutoTaser.htm

(I'm joking)

cheers
Kendrick

 

[JonB]

Hotdog wrote:

JonB wrote: i dont like ulocks because they rattle when i drive arround with them.

Rattle? They shouldn't do, at least not if they come with a decent frame mount. I've got a big, heavy duty Abus U-lock (D-lock to some) which came with a very versatile frame mount that can attach to all size and shape frame tubes, it makes carrying the lock easy (and quiet!) on almost any bike. I don't need the lock very often these days and don't carry it unless I need to (it weighs at least 1.5kg), but the frame mount works well on the left chainstay of my recumbent. Great locks, Abus, by the way.

I have an abus ulock as well, and the only mount is in key end of the ulock. When driving on uneven terrain it rattles.

 

[JonB]

kling wrote: JonB, if you ride between the same two locations, perhaps you could get two locks and leave them locked to the racks there.

Otherwise, we could commision a "Silvio Taser" to fit in the underseat gap...
http://www.spyworld.net/AutoTaser.htm

(I'm joking)

what? but i really liked that taser thing. I drive between many locations being a freelance IT consultant.

 

[Hotdog]

JonB wrote:

Hotdog wrote:

JonB wrote: i dont like ulocks because they rattle when i drive arround with them.

Rattle? They shouldn't do, at least not if they come with a decent frame mount. I've got a big, heavy duty Abus U-lock (D-lock to some) which came with a very versatile frame mount that can attach to all size and shape frame tubes, it makes carrying the lock easy (and quiet!) on almost any bike. I don't need the lock very often these days and don't carry it unless I need to (it weighs at least 1.5kg), but the frame mount works well on the left chainstay of my recumbent. Great locks, Abus, by the way.

I have an abus ulock as well, and the only mount is in key end of the ulock. When driving on uneven terrain it rattles.

A different model, I guess. Mine is about 4 or 5 years old, and was near the top of their range at the time. The attachment to the frame mount is on the 'U' part, at the lock end. The frame mount itself uses a fabric strap and rubber grip to clamp to the frame. The lock is held firmly, away from the frame, and doesn't rattle. So you can buy quiet U-locks, you just need to find the right one

 

[JonB]

Here are some pictures of my locks and a complaint about the freerider/sofrider design.

 

[Robert Stewart]

At home, my bike is kept in an unlocked communal bike shed overnight. Consequently, I have a big motorbike chain lock I keep there to secure it, specifically one of these:

http://www.pjbsecurity.co.uk/viewproduct.asp?ProductCode=pjb722

The bike shed has a low-down rack a bit like this:

only rotated 90 degrees to be higher but extending forward less. I back the Silvio into it and secure it with the boxer chain through the underseat gap (thus securing the frame and back wheel). The front wheel/triangle are currently unsecured and I am thinking about a better solution for this.

At work, I keep one of these:

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_231103_langId_-1_CarSelectorCatalogId__CarSelectorGroupId__varient__categoryId_31389_crumb_33980-31270-31433-62454-62460_parentcategoryrn_31389

The bike racks here are a bit like this:

and I secure the frame using the D-lock through the underseat gap and round one of the poles, with an extender cable through both wheels and attaching to the D-lock.

Since I generally just travel to and from work on the Silvio, I don't carry a lock with me for the commute, but if I want to go somewhere during the day, I carry the mini lock from work with me (it's a whole lot lighter than the motorbike chain).

Cheers,
Rob

 

[ozcruza]

I use zip ties, zip tie my brake levers so the brakes are on and no one can push it, Quick releases are also zip tied, Keep a pair of mini clippers in your pocket to cut off when departing, and a selection of ties to use whenever. Zip ties dont make it too easy for a thief and are hard to cut in some circumstances, Of course I also use mini combination cable locks and a large high tensile plastic coated cable lock which are not all that heavy, ozcruza

 

[Peder Torgersen]

Commuters using a bike to a train station.

Now one train station here in Norway offers a room which you can lock your bike in it costs $10 a month. Then you do not have to worry about it being stolen or having some of the parts removed. They are planning to offer this at many of the stations in the future.

Peder

 

[kling]

Reviving an old thread as found a satisfactory bike lock that can be carried on a Silvio (with minimal rattle)

The ABUS Bordo http://www.abus-bordo.com/gb/default.htm
Interesting name. Despite being a folding lock has an security rating comparable to most D-locks.

Cost: about $90 US, 45 pounds, or $150 Aust [!]

Weight: 1031 g
Yes, heavy. (although sprung weight) as on the back support. Couldn't feel a significant change in balance. I'm much happier not having to remember to put a d-lock in my pannier bag.

Having a lock always available (and one that can flex to reach through the underseat gap and then to a pole) has got to be more secure than only occasionally carrying something more secure.

cheers and happy Cruzing
Kendrick