Seat Mod
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tiltmaniac
Zen MBB Master
ccf
Guru
I eyeballed it, and then got a second opinion.
Roger Underhill
Member
Interesting to know. My main reason for not buying a Vendetta is that I don't think the seat and headrest will suit my size and body shape (6'5") and I think it will be a little too reclined. I prefer the longer wheelbase over the Silvio so this could make the V what I'm looking for. It would be nice if CB offered options...
Which head rest are you using JASON ? I've ordered the Thor seat and am wondering if the adem is the best / only option ? Also I'm 5'10" and wondering about size also are you happy with the large ?
snilard
Guru of hot glue gun
I am not Jason
but I use Ice neckrest with my Thor seat. http://www.icetrikes.co/accessibility-and-comfort.htmlI am not Jason
Looks good !
Emeljay
WiskersBlowinInTheWind
I have used both the ADEM and ICE neckrest, and both worked for me, although I have not used either on extended rides.
One note, if ordering the ICE neckrest, the length of the support arm is different for the hard seat and the mesh seat versions. The length for the mesh seat version is 10 inches (see pic), and the hard seat version is much shorter (I can't find it to measure it).
The brackets to attach the headrest for each version are different, but the mesh seat version's bracket will work for either mesh or hard seat.
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One note, if ordering the ICE neckrest, the length of the support arm is different for the hard seat and the mesh seat versions. The length for the mesh seat version is 10 inches (see pic), and the hard seat version is much shorter (I can't find it to measure it).
The brackets to attach the headrest for each version are different, but the mesh seat version's bracket will work for either mesh or hard seat.
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snilard
Guru of hot glue gun
I hope that I have finally found correct angle of my Thor seat on V20. I can change angle of seat by adding and removing of rubber plates under upper mouting area of thor seat.
Photos in the evening.
- 20 mm was OK but felt strange because I was testing it just after switch from original seat
- 10 mm was too low so I had to ride with head on rest majority of the time
- 15 mm seams to be OK for my neck I can ride without headrest and in the same time it feels natural for Vendetta
Photos in the evening.
Emeljay
WiskersBlowinInTheWind
If ordering directly from ICE, maybe they could include the longer neckrest frame that comes with the mesh version with the hard seat mounting bracket.
Both the mesh and hard seat brackets adjust the neckrest vertically, but when the mesh seat bracket is mounted on a hard seat it cannot adjust the neckrest horizontally. This is because to mount it on my hard seat I got rid of half of the mesh seat bracket, so I had to bend the aluminum headrest frame to adjust it horizontally.
Both the mesh and hard seat brackets adjust the neckrest vertically, but when the mesh seat bracket is mounted on a hard seat it cannot adjust the neckrest horizontally. This is because to mount it on my hard seat I got rid of half of the mesh seat bracket, so I had to bend the aluminum headrest frame to adjust it horizontally.
Emeljay
WiskersBlowinInTheWind
Pic of side by side comparison of ICE mesh (left, with the hard seat bracket) and ICE hard (right) headrest frame length (that I found trolling the NET):
And pics of the ICE hard seat headrest bracket (in comparison to the pics I posted above of the mesh seat bracket):
Note: The link snilard posted above has a good pic of both the mesh and hard seat versions with the differences in frame length not as obvious to me when I ordered my hard seat version.
And pics of the ICE hard seat headrest bracket (in comparison to the pics I posted above of the mesh seat bracket):
Note: The link snilard posted above has a good pic of both the mesh and hard seat versions with the differences in frame length not as obvious to me when I ordered my hard seat version.
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PeteClark
Active Member
Just received a Thor G Sport, size XL. When I position it on my V, in what I think is a position comparable to the std carbon seat, it contacts the V's frame in 3 places... the back edge of the frame, mid-back, and the leading edge of the seat rests on the frame about 2 inches in front of the positioning holes in the V's seat "wings." No contact with the "wings."
The std seat extends 1 inch in front of the positioning holes in the wings, and sits 1/4 inch above the frame.
Looking at a side-view comparison, the Thor looks flatter / straighter than the std seat approaching the leading edge.
My initial thought is to trim about 1 inch off the front edge of the Thor. Anybody else do this?
The std seat extends 1 inch in front of the positioning holes in the wings, and sits 1/4 inch above the frame.
Looking at a side-view comparison, the Thor looks flatter / straighter than the std seat approaching the leading edge.
My initial thought is to trim about 1 inch off the front edge of the Thor. Anybody else do this?
BJ686
Well-Known Member
I use the medium Thor seat (and tried the large as well), but have not tried the extra large. However, per Rick's idea, I use a piece of a rubber block to support the front of the seat, which I think helps with the clearance of the lip of the seat with the frame. See pic below. Not sure if this approach would work with the extra large, but might be worth a shot instead of cutting the seat.
Bruce B
Well-Known Member
I installed a Thor medium seat on my Vendetta last April. I followed the advice of Rick Youngblood using a rubber block between the seat and the wings for the front attachment and a rubber block between the upper part of the frame and the upper part of the seat.
Here is page 6 of a long thread which has a lot of information you may find helpful.
http://cruzbike.com/forum/threads/seat-mod.8978/page-6#post-121396
I have not seen any comments about cutting a carbon seat. Someone with that skill will probably chime in.
Here is page 6 of a long thread which has a lot of information you may find helpful.
http://cruzbike.com/forum/threads/seat-mod.8978/page-6#post-121396
I have not seen any comments about cutting a carbon seat. Someone with that skill will probably chime in.
tiltmaniac
Zen MBB Master
@Bruce B
Cutting a carbon seat can be done, but remember that cutting carbon fiber is a bit like playing with asbestos. You really REALLY don't want to breathe in the results.
When I drill carbon fiber, I use a wet pile of paper towels over the work-site to minimize the dust, and I wear a mask. Perhaps it is overkill, but I quite value my lungs working, so perhaps not.
Cutting a carbon seat can be done, but remember that cutting carbon fiber is a bit like playing with asbestos. You really REALLY don't want to breathe in the results.
When I drill carbon fiber, I use a wet pile of paper towels over the work-site to minimize the dust, and I wear a mask. Perhaps it is overkill, but I quite value my lungs working, so perhaps not.
tiltmaniac
Zen MBB Master
I've finally finished mounting my Thor seat. I just drilled through the "ribs", as I did with the Volae seat earlier on the other S30.
I use a thin thing of rubber between the front of the seat/bottom of the seat and the frame.
The top part of the seat has a shim made from the meltable platic stuff. The seat doesn't really move at all-- it feels quite sturdy.
Now, to mount a headrest!
I use a thin thing of rubber between the front of the seat/bottom of the seat and the frame.
The top part of the seat has a shim made from the meltable platic stuff. The seat doesn't really move at all-- it feels quite sturdy.
Now, to mount a headrest!
PeteClark
Active Member
After dithering for a month, I took the plunge and cut into my beautiful Thor G-Sport XL seat.
I cut a U-shaped notch in the Thor's front edge to keep it off the frame, and notches in each of the seat's ribs to keep them off the V's seat wings. Then I covered the wounds with epoxy, added a small shim between the ribs, and added small strips of industrial strength velcro to the shim and the frame and wings. I also added velcro to the underside of the seat where it contacts the frame (lumbar area and back edge of the frame) to engage the original Cruzbike velcro. With less velcro contact than the original seat, the Thor doesn't feel as securely attached if I rock it by hand in the garage, but out on the road it feels solid and hasn't moved after the first 100 miles.
First impressions are that even after cutting the seat to get it lower on the V's frame, my butt is still more than 1 cm higher. I also had to adjust the slider as I'm about 1cm further forward on the bike. The Thor is not necessarily more comfortable than the original Cruzbike carbon fiber seat (a real tribute to the original when you consider it was designed to fit the smallest to the tallest). The Thor is more contoured and I'm finding the lumbar support and shoulder support can encourage "pushing" a higher gear. As much as I liked the original seat, I never really liked the original headrest bar, whether with the original pad, my inner tube pad, or the latest suspension adjustable headrest. One motivation for installing the Thor was to use the ICE headrest. So far it has been worth it.
I cut a U-shaped notch in the Thor's front edge to keep it off the frame, and notches in each of the seat's ribs to keep them off the V's seat wings. Then I covered the wounds with epoxy, added a small shim between the ribs, and added small strips of industrial strength velcro to the shim and the frame and wings. I also added velcro to the underside of the seat where it contacts the frame (lumbar area and back edge of the frame) to engage the original Cruzbike velcro. With less velcro contact than the original seat, the Thor doesn't feel as securely attached if I rock it by hand in the garage, but out on the road it feels solid and hasn't moved after the first 100 miles.
First impressions are that even after cutting the seat to get it lower on the V's frame, my butt is still more than 1 cm higher. I also had to adjust the slider as I'm about 1cm further forward on the bike. The Thor is not necessarily more comfortable than the original Cruzbike carbon fiber seat (a real tribute to the original when you consider it was designed to fit the smallest to the tallest). The Thor is more contoured and I'm finding the lumbar support and shoulder support can encourage "pushing" a higher gear. As much as I liked the original seat, I never really liked the original headrest bar, whether with the original pad, my inner tube pad, or the latest suspension adjustable headrest. One motivation for installing the Thor was to use the ICE headrest. So far it has been worth it.
ratz
Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
Ok some details of this winters upcoming project.
Took delivery of 2 Thor Medium seats in August and a copy of Rick's mounting kit to play with.
Goals:
1) Create an easy to recreate and make mounting kit for the Thor Seats on the V20
2) Get the seat as low and true to the original seat height
3) Figure out the Sizing for the Seats relative to the bike and rider sizes
4) Create a setup that allows quick and easy switching between the original and Thor Seats.
5) Compare the 2 Cruzbike neckrests vs Adem and the new Thor one.
Did the first pass mount of the Medium's this weekend;
Because successful riding on the v20 means getting a body position that's not too far forward on the bike; I'm suggesting this change in the sizing chart for V20 Riders. The seats do not allow you to slide backwards to adjust your position; they are very fixed and therefore a good fit and position are important. Reviewing the sizes of the seats, and how they fit for Pluckyblond at a short 5'7" and myself at a short 5"9' I'm recommending that people considering the Thor seats use this revised sizing seat; and I would like feedback for the Tribal knowledge base on the height of current Thor seat users and the size Seat you found comfortable.
Took delivery of 2 Thor Medium seats in August and a copy of Rick's mounting kit to play with.
Goals:
1) Create an easy to recreate and make mounting kit for the Thor Seats on the V20
2) Get the seat as low and true to the original seat height
3) Figure out the Sizing for the Seats relative to the bike and rider sizes
4) Create a setup that allows quick and easy switching between the original and Thor Seats.
5) Compare the 2 Cruzbike neckrests vs Adem and the new Thor one.
Did the first pass mount of the Medium's this weekend;
- I have the mounting down to 2 rubber blocks based on Rick's.
- The mounting requires 2 bolts same as the stock seat
- The mounting uses velcro and a large amount of frame contact same as the original seat
- The mount allows the use of the original head rest pipes for various accessories including the carbon aero case.
- A short test on a neighborhood hill showed much easier and comfortable power generation going up hill
Because successful riding on the v20 means getting a body position that's not too far forward on the bike; I'm suggesting this change in the sizing chart for V20 Riders. The seats do not allow you to slide backwards to adjust your position; they are very fixed and therefore a good fit and position are important. Reviewing the sizes of the seats, and how they fit for Pluckyblond at a short 5'7" and myself at a short 5"9' I'm recommending that people considering the Thor seats use this revised sizing seat; and I would like feedback for the Tribal knowledge base on the height of current Thor seat users and the size Seat you found comfortable.
