Strapless Toe Clips / Power Grips

Gromit

Guru
Has anyone on here used Strapless Toe Clips (Half Toe Clips) or Power Grips on their Cruzbike?
What do you think about them? Would you rate one higher than the other or are they both useless on a Cruzbike? :)

I do quite a bit of city riding on my Sofrider and I'm therefore a bit wary of going the whole hog with clipless, SPD type, pedals.

I used to use clipless pedals when I had a tadpole trike but on that you only needed to unclip when you reached the end of the ride.
 

JonB

Zen MBB Master
Gromit wrote: Has anyone on here used Strapless Toe Clips (Half Toe Clips) or Power Grips on their Cruzbike?
What do you think about them? Would you rate one higher than the other or are they both useless on a Cruzbike? :)

I do quite a bit of city riding on my Sofrider and I'm therefore a bit wary of going the whole hog with clipless, SPD type, pedals.

I used to use clipless pedals when I had a tadpole trike but on that you only needed to unclip when you reached the end of the ride.
You will quickly learn to unclip from SPD type. And if you want a nice pair of biking shoes for office, look at:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Exustar_SK204_Track_Shoes/5360041413/
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Exustar_SRT_707_Commuter~Office_Shoe/5360041403/
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Exustar_Stelvio_Touring_Shoes_2009/5360042497/

However if you really dont want to unclip, or cant because you cant twist your leg, i read about a disabled rider who had a toestrap without the strap, and then some other holder for the heel. That kept the foot inplace.
 

Gromit

Guru
Thanks Jon
As I said in the first post, I am familiar with SPD pedals but having used them on a trike, I don't feel very confident about using them on my Cruzbike just yet. That is why I asked about Power Grips or strapless toe clips.
Sadly, the nature of my job doesn't allow me to cycle to work, so the information on SPD shoes for the office whilst very informative isn't relevant to my case. I can see why you might have thought it was, due to my post mentioning city riding. :oops: :)
Sounds like the disabled chap was using a type of strapless toe clip together with a heel hook device. Trice used to make those.
 

teacherbill

Well-Known Member
Gromit wrote: Sounds like the disabled chap was using a type of strapless toe clip together with a heel hook device. Trice used to make those.
Where can you see these things? I ride my wedgie with spd but will be going through a transformation to the Conversion or the Sofrider. On a short tour of Florida I stopped at a red light, and didn't get un-clipped quick enough and ended up the tour with an very colorful egg on my left elbow. Don't what that to happen again. So, all I can think of is using toe clips.... Any input on this topic would be appreciated.
 

JonB

Zen MBB Master
teacherbill wrote:
Gromit wrote: Sounds like the disabled chap was using a type of strapless toe clip together with a heel hook device. Trice used to make those.
Where can you see these things? I ride my wedgie with spd but will be going through a transformation to the Conversion or the Sofrider. On a short tour of Florida I stopped at a red light, and didn't get un-clipped quick enough and ended up the tour with an very colorful egg on my left elbow. Don't what that to happen again. So, all I can think of is using toe clips.... Any input on this topic would be appreciated.
I think i saw it in an old Velo Vision magazine. I recently bought both a paper copy and access to the digital online archive to read the old issues. I think the 20 UK pounds for reading all the old magazines is very cheap.

Found it. Search for foot loose in Velo Vision issue 9 from March 2003 on page 41, letters.

Ken Davison, South Shields, UK - Velo Vision issue 9 from March 2003 section leters on page 41 wrote:
... Doctor advised using a normal touring pedal and toe clips. I know there will be readers who would say that some clipless pedals have some movement, but I would sooner be safe than sorry. However, on freezing cold winter days, my foot starts to slide from the touring pedal no matter how hard I tighten the toe strap. Because so much pressure is placed on my foot, I sometimes got swelling by the end of a bike ride. I contacted the ICE men in Cornwall and after explaining about the clip trouble, they sent me a pair of plastic rear heel-support clips. These worked a treat but my foot started to slide forward, so on returning home I fitted a pair of toe clips to the front of the pedals – leaving out the straps. This combination works a treat, and to date I have had no more problems.

There is even a picture, looks big, but if it works...
 

Gromit

Guru
Teacherbill
I assume you are referring to the Trice heel hook thingies. They stopped making them some years back.
As I recall, from memory. I never actually saw any up close, only in photos. They may have been made of plastic?
To make some, think of two L-shaped pieces where the vertical part of the L is much longer than the base of the L. The base of one L was bolted to the back of the pedal. Then the long part of that L was bolted to the long part of the other L with a number of different adjustment holes to allow for the length of the rider's shoes. The shorter part of the other L then retained the rider's heel. From the side, the profile looked rather like a long Z.
Hope that this is of help.

EDIT I was composing this post at the same time as Jon. I didn't see Jon's post (above) until I hit Submit. :roll: :)
 

Gromit

Guru
Thanks Jon
I went to the Velovision online archive and looked at the picture. My memory of them was correct.
The ICE men, the chap was referring to, was the guys at Trice.
http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk
ICE stands for Inspired Cycle Engineering
 

teacherbill

Well-Known Member
Quote: on freezing cold winter days,

If we start having those type of days here in Florida, I will be locked up tight in my garage, just pedaling away on my trainer. I am a wimp to anything below 50 degrees and wind gusts above 25 mph. :oops:
 

Gromit

Guru
South Shields, despite its name (South) is near to Newcastle Upon Tyne in the North East of England, i.e. nearly in Scotland. :)

So has anyone on here used Strapless Toe Clips (Half Toe Clips) or Power Grips on their Cruzbike? ;) :)
 

Rupert

New Member
Hey folks! newbie to the con-kit and to any forum. however, I have been using power grips on a swb for close to ten years and other then a couple simple mods, work great on recumbents. the back of the pedal needs to be weighted so it rocks back to you rather than forward. I also had to space the strap out to fit my size 13s into them. On the former I put a couple of longish bolts and nuts on to get leverage and to keep the heft down, and has worked well. It's not real pretty, but works, go fast and nobody sees 'em anyway. If you can,,, the older design for the P-grips that bolted to the adjustment piece was better, in my mind anyway, as the new setup tends to pull out of the clamping bits. I like to drill the strap and use my old set-up. Hope this helped a bit, good luck.
 

WhiteSilvio

Well-Known Member
Gromit wrote: So has anyone on here used Strapless Toe Clips (Half Toe Clips) or Power Grips on their Cruzbike? ;) :)

Hi Gromit,
When I first started riding my Silvio I began with a set of toe-clips, each having a webbing strap, which I adjusted to length so it was easy enough to get out of if I needed to in a hurry. I stuck with these for approximately 1400km before I went over to clipless pedals. I did this, in the end, because once I became proficient, and started to pick up "a bit of speed", I had a couple of occasions when I was spinning up at faster speeds and a foot came out of the toe clip and suddenly I had a loose leg floating around, while I stopped the other leg pedaling and reconnected the wayward leg/foot. :shock: This was not pleasant.
This situation occurred probably because I tried to "pull-up" with the non-pushing leg in order to get a bit more power, and the straps on the toe-clip simply wasn't tight enough to do the job. I probably should have gone to clipless earlier, as in hindsight it was scary and quite unnerving!! Not to mention dangerous. (I told you not to mention that.)

I much prefer clipless pedals and would not go back to toe-clips. My original thought was that I would not be able to get out of the clipless pedals fast enough should I overbalance at very low speeds whilst stopping at lights etc. But thinking logically this situation was only the same as my DF bike with clipless pedals. I know I have fallen over once on my DF bike when I couldn't get my foot out fast enough, probably took out the wrong foot and then overbalanced the other way. :oops: I've seen quite experienced riders come to grief this way.

I cannot comment on the Power Grips directly because I have not ridden with them. I have however seen them in use on a Silvio, and the owner was recommending them as his preference over clipless pedals. A personal thing. I think that the foot coming off while spinning up would still be a possibility and not quite as secure as clipless pedals.

So for what it's worth that's my thoughts. I've now done over 4000km and I would recommend clipless pedals and shoes except for the early stages of learning the Cruzbike.
Regards,
John R
PS. It's not particularly obvious but my avatar shows me in my toe-clip phase.
 

Mark B

Zen MBB Master
I will go on record agreeing with John, except I will add that if you are comfortable unclipping on a road bike, a Cruzbike is no different. I never cared for the strap thingies on the exercise bike at the gym.. I assume the power straps are probably a ittle better, but generally the same thing.

Clipess pedals are the hot ticket. There is some learning to it, but once you get the unclipping motion down, its realy and truly second nature.

Mark
 

John Tolhurst

Zen MBB Master
One day we'll stop calling them clipless and start calling them cleated .. but yes they do transform the riding. Mostly you can adjust down the resistance they give to coming out, so getting in and out can be quite easy. That's how I have my sofrider set up, when I ride with my son on the back (actually he's gotten a bit big for that now and wants one of his own). On my silvio its more of a positive clack sound when they go in and require a positive sidways rotation to get out. Its not long before this is natural. I also found that if I teeter unexpectedly, jerking the foot towards the ground releases the cleat in one movement, that saved me a few times already. I did come a cropper once with shimano spds on a rabbit trap style pedal combined with shoes that had the cleat recessed for comfortable walking. Don't try that combo, ok? :cool:
 

MrSteve

Zen MBB Master
I use Power Straps.
They work well up until my leg muscles are quivering with fatigue,
then I wish I were using a more modern pedal/shoe combination.

I used toe clips exclusively when young, but that was a long time ago.
Power Straps feel normal to me; 'clipless' pedals look alien/foreign.

If you are young, in my opinion, use clipless (modern) pedals as
they really are superior.

If you grew up with toe clips?
Your reflexes may, like mine, prefer the Power Straps.

See, I have no problems with my feet flying free of the pedals/
Power Straps, and my cadence is anywhere between
80 and 120 rpm.

My advice?
Ignore this:
use modern 'clipless' pedals, cleats and cycling shoes.

-Steve
 

Gromit

Guru
Hi folks
Thanks for all the replies and welcome to the forum Rupert.

After giving the matter a lot of thought and before all of these posts this week, I came to a decision and decided to go clipless on my Sofrider but with a twist. ;) :)
My folding bike (Montague Paratrooper) has MKS MM XP Ezy de mountable pedals fitted on it. The original pedals that came with the bike were huge, steel bear traps designed for use with army boots it seems. I was always chipping chunks out of door frames when I carried the bike indoors so I bought the resin-bodied, Ezy pedals to prevent the damage occuring.
Back to the Cruzbike. I've ordered a pair of MKS MM Cube Ezy de mountable pedals. They use an MKS variant of the Shimano SPD system. As you can see from the web page which I've linked, they're without any extra rabbit trap bits (John T). ;) :)
I'll use the resin bodied pedals in the city and the clipless pedals on runs out into the countryside. As my technique improves on the clipless pedals then I guess that I'll probably make less use of the resin-bodied Ezys in town.
The new clipless pedals are on their way to me in the post. I'll post up a picture of the system on here before I fit them onto the Cruzbike. In the meantime there is a bit more info on this website.
 

WhiteSilvio

Well-Known Member
johntolhurst wrote: One day we'll stop calling them clipless and start calling them cleated ..
Darn! I just got used to calling them Clipless! I used to call them cleats (when I first went over to cleats on my original steel DF bike; made a big difference there), but it seemed to me that "clipless" was the preferred terminology around here. :shock:

The only problem I have with cleats is knowing whether the cleat is the mechanism in the pedal or the bit bolted to the bottom of the shoe or, if I've missed the point altogether, and it is the combined bits. Not really a problem though. I recognise them either way, and wouldn't be without them. :D
Someone may like to enlighten me on the terminology of the pedal to shoe mechanism?! Or I could look up the late great Sheldon Brown! (I wonder if someone has picked up his work?)

Best to all,
John R.
 

Mark B

Zen MBB Master
I pondered this question on my ride to work today.

The bottom line is; so much depends on what you expect to get out of your pedal attachment device. I think we all agree, to some point, that being attached to the pedal is a good thing, or we would not be having this discussion. If performance is not a huge issue, or you can't/won't change shoes for a ride, then Power Straps are probably fine. In my opinion, toe clips and straps are the worst option.

My point of view is biased toward perfomance. No, I'm not the fastest guy on the block. There are old ladies on mountain bikes that could probably clean my clock. Still, I push myself to improve; even my commuting rides are treated as such. Why? Because on the weekends, I enjoy group rides and going with the faster boys and girls. The harder I push myself during the week, the easier and more fun it is on the weekends. This, however, is my point of view and I only mention it so you know my point of reference.

I have never tried power straps, but if they are anything akin to the rubber straps on the exercise bikes at the gym, here's my take on them: To be effective, the straps have to be set at an angle, such that you put your foot in at an angle and when you straighten your foot, the strap tightens down against your foot. To exit the pedal, you rotate your ankle to loosen the strap, then extract your foot. I have to say that the ankle movement, in this case, is very similar to that of a "clipless" pedal system. The main difference that I see is the resistance to the cleat exiting the pedal due to the spring resistance, which, as others have said, is adjustable. Also, I have found that the straps are quite acceptable for pulling straight back against, but are of dubious value when pulling through the dead spot, an action very similar to wiping your feet on the rug. In this instance, you have to resist pulling your foot out of the straps. This would be very tiring on a real road ride, to my way of thinking.

Toe clips and straps, believe it, or not, are almost useless without the proper shoes. Done right, toe clips require a cycling shoe, not a lot unlike modern cycling shoes, except that they had a cleat that was nailed onto the sole. This cleat sat down into the recess of the pedal, then the rider would cinch the strap down so the shoe would not come out. When you rolled up to a stop, you had to reach down and loosen the strap so you could get the cleat up and out of the pedal. Newer pedals have teeth on the pedals that will grip into whatever shoes you are riding, but still, to be effective, you have to tighten down the strap so you can spin, then loosen it so you can take your foot out. However, if you are not spinning, only pushing/pulling, then toe clips run loose enough to get in and out of should be fine. I've still seen people fall with toe clips and in fact, one of the few falls I've had was with toe clips.

Again, if performace is not an issue, any of the pedal systems will work for you. If you are now, or ever plan to be interested in performance, or really and truly spinning, modern clipless pedals are the most effective answer. Just like a Cruzbike, there is a learning curve, but it is soooooo worth it.

Mark
 

Gromit

Guru
As promised, here are some pictures of the MKS Ezy pedals which I'm now using on my Sofrider V2.
The yellow plastic C-shaped ring fits between the Ezy pedal adaptor and the crank arm and acts as a safety feature to prevent inadvertent operation of the quick release.
My Sofrider has Truvativ Isoflow Road cranks. The MKS Ezy pedals come with a washer that should be fitted into the recess in the crank arm.
I'm still getting used to unclipping before I come to a stop. I fell to the right and now the derailleur arm has bent I think. Clicking noise in low gears. I'll take the Cruzbike to my LBS. I'm hopeless with gear adjustments.
There are also some scratches on the end of my right-hand pedal. :cry:
71_04e863b8ac94d9b784f722be86909381
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Gromit-

I'm new to all this but you could answer a question for me. Could you use the conversion kit with the Paratrooper? I was wondering if it could be used with a folding bike and I have the chance tot get a Paratrooper.

Thanks!
 
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