Vosadrian's V20 Journey - Australia

I've just ordered the bars: https://www.pro-bikegear.com/global/gravel/handlebars/pro-discover-12-degree-flare-handlebar in a 44cm size. These have a fairly low level of flare (12 degrees), but OK reach and drop. They are cheap and this series have several flare and width options, so I can get a feel for this bar and then get another options if I find myslef wanting more flare or width. I also have all the bits together for my groupset change to DI2 which will be running R8050 derailleurs and 6770 shifters/battery/junction. All seems to work fine on the bench. So will update that with the new bars in a week or two.

I also just fitted a set of garmin vector pedals... but have not ridden yet... very interested to see what power levels are being used for this speeds I am riding at. My HR seems on the low side for the pace compared to my DF (and I am at lower fitness)... so not sure if that is because of V20 efficiency, or reclined position being lower HR. Will be interesting.

Also, I found a set of second hand 85mm carbon TLR rim brake wheels... but the drive wheel needs a new hub (so wheels were cheap and I won't be so upset if they are damaged). So will get the drive wheel sorted and then stick them on and see how they effect things... I want to get a few rides of my usual loops with power meter before and after wheels to compare. I'll probably try and ride to power and see what speeds I get with each setup. Hopefully the weather is consistent.

Other than that... business as usual. I have done about 800kms on the V20 so far. Feel pretty comfortable once rolling on it and have hit speeds up to 80kph coasting down hills... pedalling up to about 55kph at times on declines. Also, getting much faster through the tighter corners on the bike path I frequent. Still not great at getting going and clipped in... mostly on an up hill or tight confines (starting at lights with a car right beside me and kerb on other side). I use the Look Keo style cleat system which is a bit fiddly to clip in which does not help... but necessary for Garmin Vector pedals. I am very satisfied with the purchase of this bike... but I do miss the ease with which I could navigate technical areas (traffic, hills, obstacles) with my DF. I have not done a long sustained climb (more than 5 minutes at >5%) on this bike yet, and the idea scares me. I was frequently changing my position on my DF while climbing and can't really do that on this bike... so the same muscle group has to sustain 2-300W for many minutes which will be tough. I could do up to 350W for 10 minutes on my DF, but that was probably a third standing and the rest seated in different saddle positions to recruit difference muscles.
 

DavidCH

In thought; expanding the paradigm of traversity
The vendetta scares me, each time I go out on her. So give her respect.

Hills... sit back and spin and grin. You might not be getting as fast as the DF unless you are @Maria Parker ...
Go for a bigger cassette ... even with a 42t for those unbearable occasions
 
Yeah, currently have 34-32 as best climbing gear.... and spinning at 15% is not an option. It is borderline keeping the bike moving! Would love a 40 or bigger cassette... but I can't see that being possible while still having a 52/53-11 for going fast which is why I really got this bike. I just purchase a long cage RD-R8050-GS... which should be able to do 52-36 with an 11-34. Tempted to try the wick works 53-34 on front, but not sure the RD will have the capacity for that.
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
You have to understand the vendetta was designed as a tt bike.

It’s not so good at busy technical urban tight routes.

Much below 6 klm per hour the bike is a handful on steep climbs for me. I sit up then always. It can climb really well. Just look at Jason etc. but it’s handling will always be slower than a df.

Doesn’t stop me putting her on a white line though. And through corners the bike is much faster no pedal strike.

don’t let the idea of sustained climbing on the vendetta concern you. You will see the bike climbs very well. Your power will be the same. It’s simply a matter of having a go. The vendetta is famous for climbing.

downhill at 80 soon to be 100. Lol thrilling is it not.
 
Don, what RD do you have to support that widre gear range?

Yeah, I definately see this bike as a TT bike. I have no intension to go seeking big mountains with it. I will eventually do some of my more hilly routes, but I will be staying away from anything consistently above 10%.

I just changed by bars to those pro discover bars (44cm wide, 12 deg flare). Went for a short ride in the streets near my house. Seems OK for normal riding... not great when doing a sharp U turn, as the bars interfere with my upper leg/abdomen. I see some people cut the bars down which may help. I will go for a normal ride this week and judge whether this is an issue for normal riding or just low speed manourvres. I can live with unclipping to do a U-turn... as long as I don't have any issue on normal corners at speed.
 
Had a ride with new handlebars today. The issue with the bars hitting upper legs is not really a problem unless doing tight turns. On tight turns it becomes an issue if you need to pedal... so an uphill tight turn like a hairpin or something. I may cut the bars to see how much it improves. The narrower bars are noticable when pushing hard on the pedals... I was a bit more over the road when on a steep climb... simialr to with the old bars with 500km less riding experience. I was still improving with the old bars, so I suspect I will get used to the narrower bars. It does feel more aero not having my arms out much wider than my body, but hard to quantify that. Today was windy, and never really felt like much tail wind compared to some other rides I have had. Will wait for a lighter wind day to see what sort of speed I can maintain on a flat road. It certainly looks much nicer with narrower bars!!

Had my 2nd puncture today... on front wheel again. I was much better at changing it... No grease all over me.... just used the skewer to move the chain when I needed it. Also... CO2 much better than a tiny pump that fits in a moose pack!
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
Had a ride with new handlebars today. The issue with the bars hitting upper legs is not really a problem unless doing tight turns. On tight turns it becomes an issue if you need to pedal... so an uphill tight turn like a hairpin or something. I may cut the bars to see how much it improves. The narrower bars are noticable when pushing hard on the pedals... I was a bit more over the road when on a steep climb... simialr to with the old bars with 500km less riding experience. I was still improving with the old bars, so I suspect I will get used to the narrower bars. It does feel more aero not having my arms out much wider than my body, but hard to quantify that. Today was windy, and never really felt like much tail wind compared to some other rides I have had. Will wait for a lighter wind day to see what sort of speed I can maintain on a flat road. It certainly looks much nicer with narrower bars!!

Had my 2nd puncture today... on front wheel again. I was much better at changing it... No grease all over me.... just used the skewer to move the chain when I needed it. Also... CO2 much better than a tiny pump that fits in a moose pack!

wax your chain. Home brew. Never go back. It is worth it. Was a slow adopter .... now I wish I had jumped sooner. I mean waxed sooner lol. Not my legs.
 
To be honest, I have not touched the chain lube since I got the bike... kms getting up now, so might be time for a clean and lube! Years ago I was lubing once a week of around 250km riding. These days I avoid that job and more common is about 1000kms between lubes. No noticable effect on chain replacment intervals.
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
Because the chain is up front and raised up out of the muck it stays pretty clean. Even for an oily chain. Expect double the life.

by waxing it just improves life again a lot and stays clean clean clean.
 

benphyr

Guru-me-not
  • Because the chain stays clean clean clean.
    And even when it is “dirty” you don’t get dirty. When you get rid of chain oil itself, get rid of the dirt it collects, and get rid of the Aluminum oxide from rim brakes you have eliminated almost all of the dirt. And winter dirt (salt and sand) is greatly reduced too.
 

chicorider

Zen MBB Master
I started waxing my chains about three months ago. I spend a little more time now on chain maintenance than I used to, but I spend much less time trying to keep the rest of the bike clean. So far, so good.
 
Anyone tried the Ceramic UFO lube..... I got some before getting into bents for my DF. Apparently it is very low friction and goes on as a liquid and you leave it on overnight and it drys to a wax. Best of both worlds... or maybe the worst?
 

M.J

Well-Known Member
I use Squirt drip wax, which is the same principle.
Every month or so I take the chain off and shake it in a bottle with some mineral spirits to clean it. Then let it dry, reinstall, and apply the wax. Between cleanings I reapply wax once or twice.
It's super clean, quiet running, and seems to be pretty low friction.
 
Hi All,

Quick question. Currently I have my Garmin mounted at the clamp for the bars using the standard Garmin mount and bands. Unfortunately I find in this position I often knock it when sitting up to stop. I have had occasions where I somehow untwist it out of the mount and it falls on the ground (and once down a drain but lucky I could reach to get it out!!). I have also had times where I dislodged the rubber bands and lost them so had to put the Garmin in a pocket to complete the ride. Just asking here if there is a better solution. Obviously an up front mount could get it higher above the bars which would be good for visibility and no knocking it all the time, but presumably not great for Aero. I can't think of anything better than what I have for Aero. Maybe I just have to add a tether so I don't drop it and keep replacing the bands.
 

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
I am in a bit of the same situation. I have my Wahoo Bolt stuck right in the middle on the bars, which sticks up and isn't very aero. Occasionally I hit it but luckily haven't knocked it off just yet. However, I want to get it out of the airflow, and the best spot seems just under the boom. I went through my thread and didn't see it, but someone posted a pic and link to a mounting option that is essentially a 5mm spacer on the steerer tube and it gets your Garmin between your legs under the boom. I believe it is made by K Edge. I haven't bought it yet, but I most likely will. If you have Godzilla Quads then it might not fit.
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DavidCH

In thought; expanding the paradigm of traversity
I thought about it... but for me I have the bars as low as possible with the slider boom so it's near impossible. Best thing to do is mount the bolt so it's 90 degrees then you can twist your head to look at it :D
 
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