2022 Vendetta V20c with carbon fiber front end

Karl42

Karl42

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I just got the newsletter with pricing and weight details for the new V20c.
It says that the new front end weights 3.9lbs (1.77kg), vs. 4.7lbs (2.13kg) for the old aluminum front end. I don't know if a 0.8lbs (370g) weight saving is worth upgrading for those who already have the previous model. That would also depend on whether riding the bike feels any different. But I appreciate that Cruzbike is working on upgrading their lineup. And support for thru-axles and flat mount disc brakes certainly sounds good.

I wonder if there will be a carbon fiber curved slider, as the straight top beam would not fit well for me.
 
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Henri

scatter brain
Karl42 said:
I don't know if a 0.8lbs (370g) weight saving is worth upgrading for those who already have the previous model.
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I'd say no and I assume, Cruzbike would not give a hard "yes" either. But it seems they suggest, that a lighter front end will be better for handling, as the inertia damoens your steering input. I'd guess the reduced weight will be most beneficial in slow balancing situations - so it would help climbing, but not because of the generally reduced system weight. :D

Generally buying the newer version is rarely a good idea, when you already have the older version, unless it's really old or in a very old state or you are very competitive or sometimes when you make money with it (not for something like this). It's okay to want it, but it's also okay to not waste your money and the world's recources on something you don't need. (I don't have an old one, so I want the new one, because I was already waiting for an opportunity to get one at all. Don't buy it before I can! XD)
 
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Apollo

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Weight savings is not the only advantage to the CF front end. It's stiffer as well as having improved cable management and a new clamping system. One of these improvements alone may not be that significant, but combined overall the new CF triangle front end does offer something superior for the new buyer. Whether it's a worthwhile investment for existing Vendetta owners can only be addressed on an individual basis. It's no doubt an expensive purchase even for a bare frame but it looks glorious. Can't wait to see the gold color.
 
Karl42

Karl42

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I wonder if the claimed stiffness and aero improvements can be quantified/measured somehow. The current front end already feels rock solid to me, and I love that I can pull on the handlebar as hard as I can without detecting any flex whatsoever.
I guess a possible test might be to compare the old and new bike models with a power meter to see if the same amount of power results in a measurable speed gain. I hope someone in this forum will do such a test (maybe @LarryOz ?).
 
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cpml123

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Another advantages are thru axle wheels, disc brake and wider tires. I am still trying to get the used 2018 V20 I got in October to get on the road. Carbon QR disc are very difficult to find, and the widest tires that can fit is only 30mm.
 
Frito Bandito

Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
If you think of what the latest model DF bikes come with over the previous model (pick almost any bike manufacturer you like) and think of what the new V20c will come with compared with previous models and it makes more sense for someone to upgrade to a V20c than it does for a DF bike upgrade between model years with something like "Our new frame is 38g lighter than last year and 3w faster at 18 degree yaw angle saving you 4 seconds over 100km" sales pitch. We make jokes about shaving our legs and head for those of you that still have hair to save 38g, but 380g is basically a free sleeping mat for touring, and is pretty significant especially for climbing. I am not sure how aero the new CF parts are, but I would think they are more aero than the aluminum parts. Can't wait to see the new colors.
 
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Apollo

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Mathew Fy said:
Crane Creek makes their ViscoSet in certain sizes. The V20c will have the newer oversized headset. I don’t know if there will be compatibility.
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There are two different standards available, ZS44 and EC34. If the V20C won't have either of these headset specs then it won't be compatible. I think most Cruzbikes are not compatible and that includes all of the Vendetta versions.
 
Robert Holler

Robert Holler

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Apollo said:
There are two different standards available, ZS44 and EC34. If the V20C won't have either of these headset specs then it won't be compatible. I think most Cruzbikes are not compatible and that includes all of the Vendetta versions.
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The new V20c it will not work - based on the fact we have a specially made "top cap" on this frame that double functions as the main part of the pivot clamp.

The good thing is that the new frame has moved to internal cups. This is a good thing (along with the taper, etc) as they can be replaced and offer for far smother and stiffer feel.

The older V20 frames have integrated "cups" in the tube itself - the bearings rest directly inside the headset tube - so no other headset made is technically compatible - it only takes bearings. This was a good thing in some ways but not good in many others.

IMHO the V20c does not need a viscoset headset - it is buttery smooth without - and tracks straight enough to be started frame. dead stop with no hands with platform pedals by an experienced rider.
 
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Mathew Fy

Mathew Fy

GRU
I spied on the Cruzbike blog a close-up of the boom holding the bottom bracket. It seems the fin for holding lights, cameras, or other accessories has been deleted. In its place there's a couple screw bosses for attaching things. Is Cruzbike planning an accessory to go there?
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DavidCH

DavidCH

In thought; expanding the paradigm of traversity
Well I guess the full package is quite good value if you get a couple of zipp wheels thrown in?
 
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