New Vendetta V20

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Zen MBB Master
Joseph you have learned very fast to ride the Vendetta well!
Can I ask you politely to post some photos of your new love affair, before "the BIG BOSS" chimes in demanding photos.
Photos of the seat mounting system and where to buy the Sorbothane would be great!
And also of the drinking system as "a picture is worth a thousand words" as the old sage says.
 
Hi Abbot, I'm a very new Vendetta-lover also - and now an ex-DF rider. I just wanted to share some of my experiences over the last few weeks. I apologize in advance for the long-winded novel, but my wife has just about heard enough of my Vendetta stories. I think she is becoming suspicious of my new love affair. First, I found the Vendetta neck rest very harsh on my eyeballs whenever I rode on anything other than pristine pavement. The problem was that the vibration went from the road to the wheel to the frame to my neck and head and then to my eyeballs. So I bought a large Volae carbon seat (I'm 69.5 inches tall) as recommended by Rick Youngblood (a truly amazing guy when it comes to customization). I also purchased the Ventisit seat pad to fit the Volae seat to be both comfortable as well as to allow sweat to evaporate (it works beautifully and I highly recommend it as others have done so here). Then I made a slight modification to Rick's design by adding strips and blocks of Sorbothane under the seat between the seat and the frame. This is an advanced material that acts like both a liquid and a solid and therefore absorbs vibration better than other materials (imagine trying to hammer in a nail with a water balloon). For a headrest, I bought the ADEM headrest as recommended by Rick Youngblood. The tricky part was determining exactly where to drill the four holes in the seat since the seat is all curves. By attaching the headrest to the seat and isolating the seat from the frame with Sorbothane, I can now go over extremely recessed manhole covers and other road imperfections and not even be bothered by them. It is as smooth as silk. I still go up and down on the really rough stuff, but it feels great. Regarding tires, I used to ride 23 mm tires at 120 PSI on my DF. After doing some research, I found that wider tires would roll faster and be more comfortable (basically). So I installed 28 mm Continental Gatorskins and larger tubes. The wheels are now a little heavier, but they are more comfortable at 100 PSI, roll faster, and are less susceptible to flats due to the tubes, the tires, and the pressure. Regarding water bottles, I tried the cage on the boom but found I hit it with my legs sometimes and that it was annoying. I also did not like the extra weight on the boom. If I need to have three water bottles at some point, I can always easily mount a cage under the boom if I have to. So then I purchased a couple of Minoura strap-on bottle bosses from Amazon. I had tried a different design, but the Minoura product functioned much better, although is is not as easy to install or adjust. I angled my bottles so the wouldn't bounce out and so they would still be pretty aerodynamic. I purchased the Cateye BC-100 water bottle cages ($6 each on Amazon) and mounted them on the Minoura bottle bosses. These are the best I could find as far as not dropping bottles. But they will still drop bottles eventually on rough roads if they are mounted horizontally, but not if mounted at an angle. Then to the bottles. I bought some 24-ounce CamelBak Podium bottles, which are amazing. They don't leak and can blow some water into your mouth when you need it. I mounted the bosses, cages, and bottles to the frame down under the seat on the left and right sides so that I could reach them while riding. I'm still learning to drink without killing myself, but the part I am working on is getting the bottle back in the cage. The difficulty is not being able to see the cage, so I have to learn where the cage is and at which angle to hold the bottle when I put it back in the cage - just something more to learn. The reason I mounted the bottles on the frame instead of behind the back of the seat is because I wanted the weight to be low, centered, and to not negatively affect my seat weight, which would happen due to the leverage of the bottles behind my back. One last tweak: I purchased a bar-end shifter and mounted it on the right-hand side - this is for shifting the chain-rings. I like this much better than a brifter for chain-ring shifting. I also found it much easier to tune. I bought a cheap brake lever for the left hand and I still have a brifter for the right hand brake and cogset shifting. So I do all my shifting with my right hand. If I would have known how great a bar-end shifter is, I would have put one on my DF years ago. So my goals are comfort, eliminating all of the medical problems that can be caused by a DF, and to be even faster. I've been making great progress and feel much more in control than I did at first. I am past the WHID moment (what have I done?) after crashing three times in the first two rides. But now I am much more stable. I went out riding a couple of different times on my V with strong riders who were on carbon DFs. The most recent was 100 miles yesterday with a fresh victim. The result was that a strong climber can match me in climbing (my Vendetta is about 10 pounds heavier than a comparable carbon DF) and the steeper the climb, the more advantage the DF rider has. I expect that as the frame technology changes and allows a much lighter Vendetta, this climbing disadvantage will eventually be drastically reduced. But - I can easily drop a strong DF rider on the flats. This is extreme to the point of ego damage. I can ride along without working hard at 23 to 26 mph on the flats, while the DF rider is dying trying to draft me (which is pretty much pointless) until he blows up and become a distant point in my two mirrors. (Of course I eventually slowed down and waited even though the V kept telling me to "keep going there's no reason to slow down." But I'm not a total dick!) So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I can't wait to get out on the roads again on my "V for Vendetta".
Joseph,

Thank you for sharing. Some great information. I'm having trouble visualizing how some of your solutions work which is a shame because they sound like they're really helpful. Particularly I'm interested in how you installed the Sorbothane (what size and type of pads and where) and how you've set up the water bottle cage mounts. Photos would really help me and I'm sure others.
 
Joseph you have learned very fast to ride the Vendetta well!
Can I ask you politely to post some photos of your new love affair, before "the BIG BOSS" chimes in demanding photos.
Photos of the seat mounting system and where to buy the Sorbothane would be great!
And also of the drinking system as "a picture is worth a thousand words" as the old sage says.
The Sorbothane is available through Amazon. But there are a plethora of different sizes and shapes of pads. I'm thinking that the 36 pack of little square blocks would lend themselves to this application but would like to hear which ones Joseph used.
 

JOSEPHWEISSERT

Zen MBB Master
Hello again everyone. As requested, here are some photos.

This is the front of the seat with Sorbothane strips underneath. It's not pretty, but it works well. The strip is 50 duro, which is medium hardness. For comparison, 70 duro would be harder, and 30 duro would be softer. Notice the Ventisit pad also.
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This is a view from the back - you can see one of the Sorbothane blocks. There are a couple of other Sorbothane blocks in front of this one (it is difficult to get a view under the seat). The Sorbothane sticks to seat and the seat is held down by a wire tie, so there is no need to attach the Sorbothane blocks since they stay in place. I cut the blocks out of a 1" x 6" x 6" pad with scissors. The pad is 30 duro, which is somewhat soft. I'm going to place one more block at the rear end of the frame near the edge shown here for more weight distribution.
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Here are the brifter and bar end shifter on the right hand side. Very easy chain ring shifting.
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Here are the water bottle cages and mounts. The angle keeps the bottles from falling out, but the cages cannot open up to drop a bottle as other cages can.
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Here are the bottles in the cages. The mounts are very sturdy, so the weight of a full bottle extended from the frame is not a problem. Since the frame tubing is oval (as opposed to circular) where the mounts are connected, rotation of the cage downward is not a problem.
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Here is a view of the bottles from the front. The front wheel is off of the floor because the bike is in a stand. But notice how the bottles are under the seat. A low center of mass adds to the bike's stability.
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Here is a view of the bottles from the back.
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Here is a side view showing the bottle angle. It is still somewhat aerodynamic. Pointing straight forward would be more aerodynamic, but then the bottles would fall out eventually (I learned through testing). There is a small bag inside the frame in this photo also. I keep my spare tube, pump, and Cliff Bars in the bag. Another bag is under the boom - it contains cliff bars also.
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This is my Giro helmet with a magnetic Carl Zeiss lens. I highly recommend this helmet. The lens keeps the wind out of my eyes, the helmet is aerodynamic, and the lens can be rotated upside down and out of the eyes if necessary. The dark lens filters the light very well even when the sun is in my eyes. The helmet allows air flow to keep my head cool. My neck looks really thin in this photo.
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Here is my other recumbent. This one has no wheels but I take it out on Lake Michigan. It's good for long rides of around 5 hours at a recovery pace. I can average about 4 mph on this one (faster than my Vendetta can do in water). This is a real boat with keel, rudder, and propeller - it is 100% human powered. I will be doing my fast rides on the Vendetta and recovering on the boat.
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Here are links to some of the products:

Sorbothane pad: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IT63JUK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Sorbothane strip: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B84EFDU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

cage mount: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CJZ9HW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

cage: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001C69Z5W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

bottle: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FK8WFAA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

brake levers: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F5LLWG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

bar end shifters: http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp...End+Shifters&vendorCode=SHIM&major=1&minor=20

mirror: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FY05PG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

computer: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CUJI25E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

tire: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A9245B4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Helmet: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MX3B1X2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

JOSEPHWEISSERT

Zen MBB Master
Joseph, thanks for the update, and great to see that you are getting along nicely with your new Vendetta. I image that you will get faster and faster as the miles pile on, and I wouldn't be surprised if you updated with future news that you are climbing faster than your DF counterparts.
Hi Rick, I kind of thought that my climbing would not improve since my total Vendetta bike weight is about 10 pounds heavier than the DF bike weight. Could you explain why I might be able to climb faster in the future than my DF counterparts? That would be a big, unexpected bonus.
 

Rick Youngblood

CarbonCraft Master
Hi Rick, I kind of thought that my climbing would not improve since my total Vendetta bike weight is about 10 pounds heavier than the DF bike weight. Could you explain why I might be able to climb faster in the future than my DF counterparts? That would be a big, unexpected bonus.
It's my opinion that as you ride more and become more acclimated to this riding style, your strength will improve. This is what is happening with me. My climbs are faster and easier than they were last year around this time. Also found the more I climb the more I want to climb. Before my Silvio and Vendetta purchase last year, I avoided the hills because they were just so hard. And here in Redding we have plenty to avoid. Basically the more time you spend on the hills the faster you will get.
 
Hello again everyone. As requested, here are some photos.

This is the front of the seat with Sorbothane strips underneath. It's not pretty, but it works well. The strip is 50 duro, which is medium hardness. For comparison, 70 duro would be harder, and 30 duro would be softer. Notice the Ventisit pad also.
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This is a view from the back - you can see one of the Sorbothane blocks. There are a couple of other Sorbothane blocks in front of this one (it is difficult to get a view under the seat). The Sorbothane sticks to seat and the seat is held down by a wire tie, so there is no need to attach the Sorbothane blocks since they stay in place. I cut the blocks out of a 1" x 6" x 6" pad with scissors. The pad is 30 duro, which is somewhat soft. I'm going to place one more block at the rear end of the frame near the edge shown here for more weight distribution.
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Here are the brifter and bar end shifter on the right hand side. Very easy chain ring shifting.
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Here are the water bottle cages and mounts. The angle keeps the bottles from falling out, but the cages cannot open up to drop a bottle as other cages can.
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Here are the bottles in the cages. The mounts are very sturdy, so the weight of a full bottle extended from the frame is not a problem. Since the frame tubing is oval (as opposed to circular) where the mounts are connected, rotation of the cage downward is not a problem.
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Here is a view of the bottles from the front. The front wheel is off of the floor because the bike is in a stand. But notice how the bottles are under the seat. A low center of mass adds to the bike's stability.
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Here is a view of the bottles from the back.
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Here is a side view showing the bottle angle. It is still somewhat aerodynamic. Pointing straight forward would be more aerodynamic, but then the bottles would fall out eventually (I learned through testing). There is a small bag inside the frame in this photo also. I keep my spare tube, pump, and Cliff Bars in the bag. Another bag is under the boom - it contains cliff bars also.
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This is my Giro helmet with a magnetic Carl Zeiss lens. I highly recommend this helmet. The lens keeps the wind out of my eyes, the helmet is aerodynamic, and the lens can be rotated upside down and out of the eyes if necessary. The dark lens filters the light very well even when the sun is in my eyes. The helmet allows air flow to keep my head cool. My neck looks really thin in this photo.
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Here is my other recumbent. This one has no wheels but I take it out on Lake Michigan. It's good for long rides of around 5 hours at a recovery pace. I can average about 4 mph on this one (faster than my Vendetta can do in water). This is a real boat with keel, rudder, and propeller - it is 100% human powered. I will be doing my fast rides on the Vendetta and recovering on the boat.
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Here are links to some of the products:

Sorbothane pad: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IT63JUK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Sorbothane strip: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B84EFDU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

cage mount: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CJZ9HW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

cage: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001C69Z5W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

bottle: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FK8WFAA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

brake levers: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F5LLWG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

bar end shifters: http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp...End+Shifters&vendorCode=SHIM&major=1&minor=20

mirror: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FY05PG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

computer: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CUJI25E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

tire: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A9245B4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Helmet: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MX3B1X2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Thanks Joseph. Some great solutions.
 

jond

Zen MBB Master
Thanks Joseph. Some great solutions.[/QUO
absolutely thanks for sharing Joseph. i wonder if using the sorbothane on the original seat as an insulator might afford a similar ride benefit too without compromising integrity/stability. vibration really saps your energies . i shall order some or try a similar material and see it what it offers. purchased a spare carbon seat as i was expecting a two piece but got the new seat instead with the framekit order. so it it cracks no matter.but i dont see why it would.
even though your neck is skinny it certainly looks strong :)
 

JOSEPHWEISSERT

Zen MBB Master
even though your neck is skinny it certainly looks strong :)
That is actually an antique, German, two-bike stand. I use a modern stand now for working on my bike, so my wife said she wanted the antique stand for our living room. So I kept my mouth shut and now there is a bike stand in the living room. I know I don't have to explain here why that is a good thing. Maybe next, I can get her to let the bike sleep in the bedroom at night.
 
That is actually an antique, German, two-bike stand. I use a modern stand now for working on my bike, so my wife said she wanted the antique stand for our living room. So I kept my mouth shut and now there is a bike stand in the living room. I know I don't have to explain here why that is a good thing. Maybe next, I can get her to let the bike sleep in the bedroom at night.
That might be taking the whole bikesexual thing a smidge too far...
 
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Totems at Twilight

Finally got around to trying to tackle my hill this evening. No problem maintaining balance in the climb. Unfortunately I did have problems with my fitness. :confused: I don't have enough gear for a 16% grade at my current fitness level. Sigr-D is willing but my heart rate popped and I had to stop and calm my breathing even after I walked the steepest segment. Time to grow stronger.

Ultimately got in just over 13 miles of hills and flats. Not my normal Wednesday night ride but I got a late start and was flirting with going hypoglycemic so I erred on the side of caution and cut out the return climb.

Thought one of the local totems made a nice background for Sigrditha. She cuts a striking shadow don't you think?:cool:
 

bikette

Member
Hi,
I have finished assembling my new v20 and it looks great with its 26'wheeels .
And it weighs great too : 8.3kg!
I have tried to enclose a photo but failed: it's always too large.Can anyone tell me how to do that successfully?
 
Hi,
I have finished assembling my new v20 and it looks great with its 26'wheeels .
And it weighs great too : 8.3kg!
I have tried to enclose a photo but failed: it's always too large.Can anyone tell me how to do that successfully?
I'm using my iPhone. Take a photo. Crop as necessary. Email it to myself. Pick the file size option closest to 1 mb. Open the email and save the image. It's an option under the reply arrow. The smaller file is now in my photo library and can be uploaded. Once the file loads click the full screen button and the photo is there

Alternatively you can manipulate the file in a 3rd party program like Photoshop or one of the third party file compressors.
 

Rick Youngblood

CarbonCraft Master
Upload size limit is 1000 KB (I mb).

Image straight from cameras and phone are just too large, because they are 300 DPI. Computer screens see 72 DPI.

There are free online tools to "Optimize for Web". Here is one Webresizer

If you have an image editing program like Photo Shop, then you can use the "Save for Web" tool.

I would image mobile devices like phone have apps you can down load.
 
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Totems at Twilight

Finally got around to trying to tackle my hill this evening. No problem maintaining balance in the climb. Unfortunately I did have problems with my fitness. :confused: I don't have enough gear for a 16% grade at my current fitness level. Sigr-D is willing but my heart rate popped and I had to stop and calm my breathing even after I walked the steepest segment. Time to grow stronger.

Ultimately got in just over 13 miles of hills and flats. Not my normal Wednesday night ride but I got a late start and was flirting with going hypoglycemic so I erred on the side of caution and cut out the return climb.

Thought one of the local totems made a nice background for Sigrditha. She cuts a striking shadow don't you think?:cool:
Should mention that I'm running a 50/34 compact double with an 11-32 nine speed cassette. Ultimately want to switch to an 11-42 ten speed but had to take what I had on hand for now. Pushing ~30 gear inches instead of the 22 I'm used to at the low end makes a difference even with the climbing advantages the Vendetta provides.
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
The most recent was 100 miles yesterday with a fresh victim.
Joseph - Second Rick's remarks. :)
Eventually all DF's are victims to a V - feels so great to pass them almost effortlessly! (Ric has some great video footage of that)
But, I like you, prefer the give and take, the ebb and flow - let them pass you every once in awhile and then return the favor but with more fervor!
Keep riding - Train hard - Rest harder - Ride like the wind!
 

Lief

Guru Schmuru
Bikette - if you can't get a picture up - tell us how you built up a V20 to come in at 8.3KG.
I *could* have another customer if he can reproduce that build.
 
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