2022 Vendetta V20c with carbon fiber front end

I spied on the Cruzbike blog a close-up of the boom holding the bottom bracket. It seems the fin for holding lights, cameras, or other accessories has been deleted. In its place there's a couple screw bosses for attaching things. Is Cruzbike planning an accessory to go there?
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This mount seems to adequately replace the fin on the previous Vendettas. It feels secure, but I'm still concerned about its strength. I'll be using the camera's security lanyard for a while.
 

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Randyc3

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Hmmmm, I’m estimating you should be ok. At work we used 2d+.05 for edge margin for holes with metal applications. Even if it is under this, you are probably fine. Bracket is aluminum or steel? Would take a lot of force to shear the mounting bolts too. If you want some piece of mind you can look up the shear strength of the fasteners.
 

Henri

scatter brain
What do you smart people think: Should I get the longer chainstays? Feet clearly hang lower than the seat. But I tend to have bags hanging, too. (Radical Design Bananas -that's what the silly headrest is doing- and soon a scarab bag) so would it be more aerodynamic? And/or the curved slider?
Conventional wisdom would say raised BB allows more power, but I'm not sure, I'll like it. Still trying to imagine the feel. What BB hight is more easy to ride, even a bit handsfree?
 

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Frito Bandito

Zen MBB Master
I would think a higher BB would affect handling making it more twitchy, but others with longer longer chainstays seem to be able to handle it well, so overcoming the twitchiness (if there is more) should be doable.
 

chicorider

Zen MBB Master
You will most likely notice a difference, but I also think that the differences will be subtle at most. As a shorter rider, I used the shortest chainstay on both my V20 and S30, which put my bb on both bikes right about where yours is in the pic. The S30 was only ever slightly slower than the V20, and they handled about the same. When I replaced the V20 with a V20c, the shortest chainstay was, and still is, the medium that comes with the bike, which definitely raised my feet (put another way, my going from the short to medium chainstay is perhaps a lot like you going from the medium to long chainstay). With the V20c and its longer chainstay, I gained a tiny speed bump over the old V, and maybe lost a smidgen of handling agility as well. All in all, I did notice the difference, but it was not dramatic, nor was it hard to adjust to. And going back and forth between the V20c and the S30 (still running that short chainstay) is no problem. I feel right at home on both bikes, and feel that I can put similar power down on each of them; the V20c is just a little more slippery in the aero department.

In my experience, a lower bb makes for slightly easier handling, while the higher bb might bring slightly higher speeds. I doubt that your power output would change much either way. If you're running bags often, you might want to stick with the lower bb for handling reasons. If your curiosity about the longer chainstay remains, you could buy one, try it out, and, if you don't like it, probably sell it here in the Marketplace to someone who definitely needs it, for a fair portion of what you paid, leaving you to call the difference a "rental fee."
 

Henri

scatter brain
probably sell it here in the Marketplace
Well, here in Germany selling Cruzbike parts might be a bit harder, as the bikes are rare, but I'll probably just try just try them anyways, depending on availability and price. (Are not in the online shop, but seem available per email?) :D
 

chicorider

Zen MBB Master
Well, here in Germany selling Cruzbike parts might be a bit harder, as the bikes are rare, but I'll probably just try just try them anyways, depending on availability and price. (Are not in the online shop, but seem available per email?) :D
Ah. Being in Germany does add a layer, for sure. Yes, contact CB directly and they will set you up. For me, their customer support has been excellent.
 

Bill Wightman

Well-Known Member
I have found that a chainstay on the V20 that places the top of the chainwheel about equal to the top of the front wheel feels the best, although it might not be the absolute fastest. IMO it is more fun and stable than the higher up chainstay positions. I have tried 21, 19, 17.5 and 16.5" chainstay positions because I needed to size the foot position downward for good visibility past a front fairing (currently under construction). I am 6'2" and usually ride a 19" chainstay but the 17.5" feels more solid on the road and has less dynamic deflection. The 16.5" was just too low in front for my height and I felt like the power output was reduced (far side of the sweet spot).
 

Alain

Member
Hi Henri,
Don't you need a headrest at this seat angle? I tried to ride my V20 without headrest, but it was not very comfortable for rides longer than a few miles, also due to the flat section of the seat in the area of the shoulders.
You should consider to ride with clipless pedals, that will have a massive impact on power output and controllability of the bike. Also you should readjust the Osymetric chainrings, they are not in a correct position for the V20 (at least according to my experience).
Greetings (also from Germany)
Alain
 

Henri

scatter brain
At the moment I am only riding 2.5km/1.5m to work. And it was never meant to stay thay way, already changed it again, playing around with the two other headrests.
For these short rides it works without, when I set the handlebar quite far and hang my arms from it, rolling my shoulders and lifting my neck more upright. With some training that should work for a while. @Karl42 Didn't you say, you sometimes don't use the headrest?

Yeah, the rings are not quite in the right place, yet, but it's not by much. I always need a few tries, get confused and turn it the wrong direction, so I didn't get around to it, yet. XD
 

Randyc3

Well-Known Member
At the moment I am only riding 2.5km/1.5m to work. And it was never meant to stay thay way, already changed it again, playing around with the two other headrests.
For these short rides it works without, when I set the handlebar quite far and hang my arms from it, rolling my shoulders and lifting my neck more upright. With some training that should work for a while. @Karl42 Didn't you say, you sometimes don't use the headrest?

Yeah, the rings are not quite in the right place, yet, but it's not by much. I always need a few tries, get confused and turn it the wrong direction, so I didn't get around to it, yet. XD
Hi, Agree with @Alain. Consider rotating the osymetric 72 deg to start. Used your reference mark, now in red. good luck.
 

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Henri

scatter brain
No, that's too far! I need maximum pull in the late part of the power stroke, not early. When my leg is already somewhat extended.
 

Randyc3

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No, that's too far! I need maximum pull in the late part of the power stroke, not early. When my leg is already somewhat extended.
Hi,
Figured I‘d just post my picture of my past S40 from “oval chainrings“ thread as an example. Mine are set slightly lagging in my power stroke.Rose City Recumbent Cycles set them up lagging again for my V20c(2nd picture). Cheers and safe riding.
 

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Henri

scatter brain
Don't worr, I  do know what I'm doing. I just haven't done it, yet. XD It was already a bit off when I first mounted it in the dark and then I changed the BB position a lot, changing chain angle. I'll just have to come around to making it right.
 

Randyc3

Well-Known Member
Don't worr, I  do know what I'm doing. I just haven't done it, yet. XD It was already a bit off when I first mounted it in the dark and then I changed the BB position a lot, changing chain angle. I'll just have to come around to making it right.
Great! Better man than I! Had Rose City adjust my rings since I was sure I would do it wrong. Cheers and enjoy the V!
 

Henri

scatter brain
I mean, I really always confuse it, when mounting it. I want to turn it one direction and on the testride I notice I turned it the other direction... But at least I know, what I am  trying to do. ;-P
 

chicorider

Zen MBB Master
My understanding of how oval rings work, which could be totally wrong, is that just as you are heading into the power portion of the pedal stroke (what for me is around 1 o'clock), the chain should be at the tallest portion of the oval. Then you spend the power stroke pulling that tallest portion up, around, and through. And since the chain is in the taller part of the oval, you spend a little more time in the power stroke (on a 52t oval ring, the taller portion is more like a 54t-ish ring, depending on the percentage of ovality). After that, right when you are heading out of the power stroke (into the "dead" spot), the chain is moving into the shorter portion of the oval (that 52t oval ring becomes more like a 50t-ish ring) and you move through the dead spot just a little faster, while the opposite leg is about to head into the next power stroke.

I used a set of oval rings with a fairly mild 11% ovality for years, when I became curious about Osymetric rings ("If a little oval is good, would more oval be better?"). I mounted them the same way I had been riding the other rings, and my pedal stroke was immediately wonky, which affected my bike handling. I gave it a few you-just-need-to-get-used-to-it rides, but the pedaling dynamics never improved. "This is wrong," I concluded, and did some research, coming across what I describe above. Based on that, I remounted the rings (which turns out to be the way they were intended for a df bike), my pedal stroke smoothed back out, and I even gained a little more speed on my V than before. Just to be sure, I rotated the rings one stop each way and tried it out. That df mounting position was definitely the best spot, which makes sense to me because a CB rider's body position is similar to a df rider's, with the whole thing--rider and drivetrain--rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise (or, if you rotate a CB rider and drivetrain 90 degrees clockwise, he or she will be in a surprisingly df-like position). That the chainring would mount the same way makes sense.

Did that mean that I had been riding those 11% ovality rings mounted incorrectly all those years? Yup. I ultimately did not keep the Osymetrics. I liked the idea, but for me the ovality was a little much for my physiology and riding style (at 5' 5", 130 pounds, I don't quite have the uumph to take advantage of that much oval). When I remounted the 11% rings, I did so in the intended df bike position--about 90 degrees different than before--my pedal stroke went from smooth to smoother, and my average speeds got a small boost without any increase in perceived exertion or fatigue.

Osymetric makes it easy on a person by having only five mounting holes for a five-arm spider. Many Rotor rings, however, come with several mounting holes. So many fine-tuning possibilities! I tried all five of their recommended locations, and ended up in spot 4.
 

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